To: Terrapin who wrote (8341 ) 11/29/2000 1:52:30 PM From: Eric L Respond to of 34857 Terrapin, << It is unfortunate that you chose only those sentences from the entire article ... can anybody post a link to the actual article instead of a posting of it? It helps me to verify sources >> The article was posted by JohnG. John borrowed the article from another thread. The article John posted contains the source (although not the URL). The source is Bloomberg (November 29) today. The Bloomberg source originates from Espoo, Finland the home of Nokia Oyj. Backtrack the post to which I replied to JohnG's post that is linked. Go to Bloomberg. Search for the post. Backtrack the Bloomberg source (since Bloomberg sources elsewhere and adds comments sometimes), Alternative: Search SI for the original post and query the poster for the URL to the article. I replied to the one particular part of the post that interested me. I did not reply to this (although I will now)."While some producers, such as Motorola, already have introduced GPRS phones, sales aren't taking off because phone companies have not yet completed the networks to carry the signals." First some Facts: * Many GPRS networks are in place and on the air (live) and are awaiting handsets which are in short supply from the vendors (Nokia, Ericsson, et al) the carriers have chosen to deliver these handsets, who in many cases delivered infra. Some like BT Cellnet have launched GPRS commercial with GPRS modems and other devices. There are a lot of GPRS networks commercially live and on air. * Carriers can not have retail outlets and distributors stocked with phones until they have completed integration testing on the network. For this they need release capable models that don't melt in your hand and fry your brain. * Recently we have been hearing handsets shortly after Christmas. * GPRS is (amongst other things) a test bed for 3G voice, data, and multimedia services. * GSM carriers are furious. Several are getting publicly vocal. 1992 revisited, some say."While some producers, such as Motorola, already have introduced GPRS phones, sales aren't taking off because phone companies have not yet completed the networks to carry the signals." There may be some other reasons for Motorola phones not taking off, (other than networks not complete). This could be a Nokia spin, a Bloomberg spin, carriers holding back Motorola models for any number of reasons. << Personally, I am not that concerned about a lack of cell phones for a network that is not completed >> Networks are complete. Handsets are late. The delaying of 3G does not hurt Nokia, IMHO. You are entitled to that opinion. << It may hurt qcom but that is an issue for another thread >> GPRS is 2.5G. No CDMA content. Advantage QUALCOMM. 1xMC handsets will deliver before GPRS. It is not an "issue for another thread". This is a thread with no rules that is unmoderated. << Now that I've said something on-topic >> Now that there is a moderated Nokia thread. Nothing is off topic here. Prior to the establishment of a moderated Nokia thread, common courtesy would dictate that posters stay moderately if not completely on topic, and have Nokia content in posts there to. - Eric -