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Politics : Should God be replaced? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Chris land who wrote (3506)	11/29/2000 1:50:19 PM
From: epicure	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 28931

>God created the universe, God is all powerful, all-knowing, he is Holy and the heavens are not even clean in his sight yet a fool has the audacity to think he ought to be replaced? < You can believe this but you cannot prove it to the satisfaction of anyone else. You cannot reach out and grab some God flesh for us to see. You can SAY "But look at the world!" However there are many possible explanations for that, secular and in other religions. You cannot make God speak to us. Oh you can SAY "He is speaking to you, all you have to do is listen." But people all over the world listen to their inner voice- and they call it many different things. Having an inner voice goes nowhere to proving anything, except that people have an interior mental life- or some of them do. You cannot prove the existence of God by your book, because your book was written by men. Of course they CLAIM to have been divinely inspired, but really, how do we know? We don't. You take it on FAITH, and lots of other people don't. And actually we don't even know WHICH men wrote it. But we have some clues about the errors in it. Your book combined with historical record only proves that for some time a certain portion of the population of this planet has used your book for various and sundry religions we can subsume under the heading of "Christianity". There are of course OTHER books in other religions, and they come to much the same thing. Perhaps you should say : I BELIEVE God created the universe, I BELIEVE God is all powerful, all-knowing, I believe he is Holy and the heavens are not even clean in his sight yet a fool has the audacity to think he ought to be replaced? (although I haven't a shred of evidence for any of this)

To: Chris land who wrote (3506)	11/29/2000 2:49:54 PM
From: cosmicforce	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 28931

Well see that is just it. The Supreme Being that created my Universe is apparently not the same angry one that created your Universe. The "question" posed by the thread was clearly an invitation to discussion and a proposal to reject human-created boogie-men (or is that Boogie-Gods). I understand that YOU think all this is absolutely clear-cut and unambiguous, but understand that most of humanity thinks YOU are wrong. The truth is not a democratic process unless you're a relativist, so just because most of humanity thinks you are wrong, you might be right, and I protect your right to believe anything you want. The problem, as posed by the charter of this thread, is that HUMANS (not God) seem to do some really horrible stuff in the name of their gods and that the god described in human works (like the Bible) seem to not represent the God of the Buddhists or others. In fact, that God seems like a really mean-hearted cuss. If there is a God (though I use the term Cosmic Force to eliminate all the rhetorical baggage that comes with the term "God"), it seems unlikely that it would seem so petty and human in its manifestations. My name is little "c" cosmicforce because I, like you, believe we are created in the image of God. But, other than that, I doubt we believe in much of the same things. So, why is foolish? Is it foolish to be a Buddhist? Or a Muslim? Or a Hindu? Or an atheist? Or, maybe even an agnostic? To doubt is the first step in gaining knowledge. If you doubt you have the right amount in your checkbook, don't you think it is time to balance it?