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To: DavesM who wrote (5357)11/30/2000 11:48:05 AM
From: Frank A. Coluccio  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 5853
 
Dave, some observations on the subject of power grid reliability from the North American Network Operators' Group mailing list (NANOG). NANOG is comprised of Internet Service Providers, both on the access side and the backbone end of the business.

From a thread titled, "Will the Lights Still be on..."

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election of postive and negative outlooks for the reliability of the
north american electric power grid. George Bush, Jr. has cited the growth
of the Internet as one cause for power shortages.

"Electric system resources will be adequate to meet projected electricity
demand in North America this winter. Of course, extreme weather conditions
and unexpected equipment problems may produce demands that exceed generation
and transmission margins"
source: ftp://www.nerc.com/pub/sys/all_updl/docs/pubs/winter2000.pdf

"Californians are getting a two-fold warning at the first sign of cold
weather: The state says there may be blackouts and a major utility is
warning of sharply higher bills."
source: dailynews.yahoo.com

"Barring excessive heat, California should have enough electricity supply
to meet its demand next summer, according to new -- and disputed --
projections from the California Energy Commission."
source: dailynews.yahoo.com

"Responding to concerns about deterioration of the U.S. electric power grid,
Congress within the next five years will enact legislation mandating minimum
standards for reducing downtime and improving system reliability, a panel
of utility industry analysts and journalists predicted here this week."
source: ces.com

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In other words, consumers are starting to pay the price for blocking
construction of power generation plants. Increasing demand with no
increase in generating capacity means shortages.

For those opposed to nuclear, you should note that many coal plants
produce more radioactive waste then nuclear plants. Some coal slag from
coal power plants has more uranium in it then nuclear power plant fuel
rods;)

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I'm not sure. I just remember the nuclear engr people talking about how
radioactive coal plants were since there was no radiation standard for
them and that some of the coal slag was more enriched then fuel rods.
One of my student college jobs was at the RPI linear accelerator lab doine
software work for the nuclear engineering dept. One of the projects
was part of a contract on energy needs analysis for the New York State
Power Agency (I think that was their name)

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NEW YORK, Nov 29 (Reuters) - New Jersey, in an effort to encourage utilities to improve the reliability of the state's electric system, adopted, late Tuesday, standards designed to reduce outage frequency and duration.

biz.yahoo.com

Essentially every book on security, quality control, reliability, etc includes
a statement "First, you must have the attention of the top management." How
do you get the attention of the top management? Will passing a law or a
regulation improve reliablity? It could, if it got the attention of the
management of the companies to increase the budget for doing the things
better reliability requires.

I'm at the damage prevention convention this week. All the major carriers
had people on one of the panels on the problem of fiber cuts. The scariest
thing is most carriers only have 1 or 2 people in their entire organization
responsible for damage prevention. Worldcom has 2 people watching 60,000
router miles. I think Level 3 had 1 person. Qwest International had 2 people.
ATT has a department, but even that seems to be downsized. When carriers are
merged, the damage prevention budget is usually cut in half.

I was very impressed with the people from all the carriers. They are all
working very hard. But how much can 1 or 2 people really do? Fundamentally,
if you want to improve reliability you must make reliability important to
the top management of a company. Make it worth the budget management must
approve to hire the people to implement the reliability program.

Do you know what I want in an SLA?

I would prefer my circuit never fails, but when it does I don't want money. I
want a public apology from the CEO of the company. CEO's at major companies
tend to have very strong personalities. They hate to ever admit any problems.
Notice when carriers issue press releases with good news, it always
includes a quote from the CEO. But when they release bad news, it is always
a spokesperson. Maybe if the CEO had to deal with the fall out of reliability
problems, he or she would decide increasing the budget a bit is worth it.

After Ebay's CEO had to appear on CNBC, suddenly reliability became important
for Ebay. After AOL's CEO had to appear, suddenly reliability became a
top management concern of AOL and they spent a lot of money on it.

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At the time I worked on the contract with NYSPA around 1976, the
reliability goal was one failure in 10 years. This did not include
failures from accidents, like cars knocking down power poles, lightning
strikes, etc.

From what I've seen at least where I am in NYS, we've had 2 2 hour outages
in the last 6 years, one unscheduled, one scheduled for maintenance.
The phone company hasn't been as reliable.


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The part about Ebay, of course, refers to their recent half hour outage last week some time. The syndrome described by this poster is known as the D/R denial curve. Sudden awareness after a disaster, which tapers off over time.

Would someone care to comment, corroborate or correct the statement concerning coal slag?

FAC