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To: Bosco who wrote (227)	11/30/2000 8:58:44 AM
From: Bosco	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 644

<ot> addendum, it is interesting people keep talking about wide spread "fraud," but no one wants to talk about the following allegations nytimes.com Personally, I do not think it is racially motivated. However, I wonder if there is a class warfare tone to the story best, Bosco

To: Bosco who wrote (227)	11/30/2000 9:32:35 PM
From: Carl R.	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 644

I probably should clarify my post from early this morning as to what I find "despicable" about Gore's behavior. It is the fundamental dishonesty of his position. You, Bosco, have a reasoned, fair opinion, and you call for a statewide manual re-count by fair standards, and not including pregnant or dimpled chads. That won't happen, but if it did, it would be fair and reasonable. Gore on the other hand talks like he wants every vote to count, but in reality he did not contest the results statewide or seek a statewide recount, but limited his request for a recount to heavily Democrat counties, with the exception of Volusia County where the results were definitely suspicious and clearly justified a manual recount. Far from wanting "every vote to count", he wants the election to hinge on 13,000 ballots from heavily Democrat areas where voters didn't cast a vote correctly. Rather than counting their votes, he wants to divine their intention to vote for him. Gore does not want to count "all the votes in Florida". He wanted as few absentee ballots as possible counted (I have no problem with excluding the non-postmarked ballots). He wants to exclude all the absentee ballots from Seminole County. He does not want to count dimpled chads from Republican Counties. All he wants is to twist the rules until he finds a count he likes, and I consider that to be disingenuous, dishonest, and yes, despicable. The rules for voting in Florida prior to the election clearly stated that voters were responsible for completely removing the chads. These rules were even on posters in every precinct. After the election we now wish to change the rules. We already changed to rules after the fact on manual recount deadlines, so why not change a few more? After all, the ends justify the means, don't they? I was traveling today, and one item on the radio I found amusing. Apparently as reported in a Florida newspaper, our retiring Nebraska Senator, Democrat Bob Kerry, has been down in Florida lobbying for counting dimpled chads. He sat down at a table and they handed him a ballot with a dimpled chad. He tried hard to see it, but couldn't. Rather than admit that counting dimples is a joke, he simply said that the election workers were obviously doing a great job to be able to count such votes, and said he better leave before he caused any trouble for the cause. As a caller commented on the story, clearly the Emperor has no clothes. Other Comments: As for Judicial Watch, I am unfamiliar with them. I have bumped up against Green Peace (they have targeted my industry for elimination), so I am familiar with them. If "Judicial Watch" is as extreme as Green Peace that can't be good. Re: the Time article: I disagree that it was balanced. It was clearly slanted towards Gore. Re: the NYTimes article: I was unable to access it, sorry. What was it about? Re: Fraud I firmly believe that the recount in Pinellas County (sp?) was fraudulent. I also believe that the recount in Gadsen County was fraudulent. As for Palm Beach, I believe that one member of the canvassing board engaged in some suspicious behavior but the others were fair. As for individual counters, who knows? I believe that Broward county's recount, which included dimpled chads was invalid. Re: the USSC involvement As a radio commentator pointed out, every institution that has touched the case so far has been tarred with the paintbrush of partisanship and has lost respect. This has happened to the Florida SC, the Florida Secretary of State, and the Florida Legislature so far. Will the USSC be next? Re: Irony There is great irony in the legal positions both sides are taking in tomorrows case. The "state's rights" Republicans are supporting Federal intervention while the activist Democrats are supporting "State's Rights". If the USSC rules in favor of Bush, the positions in Florida will again be ironic, with the Republicans saying that the illegal manual recounts should not be evidence in determining whether a recount is appropriate, and the Democrats saying that the evidence though obtained illegally should be admissible. It just goes to show that both sides are willing to bend their principles to obtain what they want. Carl