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To: LPS5 who wrote (1319)	11/30/2000 1:44:42 PM
From: FJV	Respond to of 10489

LPS, The following is a partial reprint of my post #393, posted on July 24, which evaluated fighters in 147/154. Given Saturday's matchup, it's appropriate to revisit: "...As for ranking the elite welter/junior middles, I rank them as follows: 1)Mosely 2)Vargas 3)Delahoya 4)Trinidad Here's my logic. Only a tactical error kept Oscar from beating Tito. DLH and his people believed that he couldn't lose a decision in Vegas. What he underestimated was the fact that Tito is a Don King fighter. IMO, DLH out-pointed Tito but was very lackluster in the last few rounds. It cost him the fight. I think DHL would have easily beaten Trinidad if he fought Trinidad with the same intensity he showed against Mosely. Although inexperienced, Vargas is an excellent boxer/puncher who fights with intensity. Although I don't believe his stock went up after the Quartey fight, he did what he had to do in order to beat a name brand opponent. I believe he will solve Tito's suspect defense and use his superior hand and foot speed to beat Trinidad. The reason I put Mosely on top is that he convincingly beat the best, most well-prepared Oscar DeLaHoya I had ever seen. DLH looked far better against Shane than he looked against either Ike or Tito - yet he couldn't beat Mosely. Further, I don't think he can ever beat Mosely. In my mind, Oscar had already beaten Trinidad with an inferior performance than he that which he exhibited vs. Mosely. I truly believe that Mosely is just too fast and his boxing skills are too good for the other three. Only Vargas may have a reasonable shot against him with some seasoning. He'll get that seasoning against Trinidad. I believe Tito's defensive shortcomings will be exposed against Vargas and would be fully exploited by Mosely's speed. Now, add Vernon Forrest to the mix, and you have a recipe for some blockbuster matchups. Forrest has beaten Mosely in the Olympic trials. I'd love to see him fight any of these guys. One man's opinion. Ciao...." ------------------------------------------------------------ In my opinion, Mosely is the only fighter who has what it takes to beat Vargas right now. I just placed a $200 bet on Vargas and got odds of +155 (that's a $310 return for the unitiated). I may lose, expecially if it goes the distance, but I truly believe the risk/reward is excellent. Regards ot all on the thread. Franco

To: LPS5 who wrote (1319)	12/1/2000 4:40:31 PM
From: mr.mark	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 10489

i can't believe the guys on this thread are discounting trinidad's abilities to the extent that they are. everyone is picking vargas except me. now some might say, oh, we're not discounting trinidad so much as we are elevating vargas in our mind's eye for aggression, power and fire in the belly. just another way of saying you think trinidad doesn't have it. and i can't believe the people here are overlooking his talent. he is not aging, his skills aren't eroding, he hasn't ducked anyone, he has great power in both hands, HE GETS UP OFF THE CANVAS AND WINS, he has national pride and intensity, and he has plenty of experience. he has knocked out many more fighters than vargas has faced, and they weren't cheap fighters. yet you (the guys on this thread who have picked vargas) count him out for this new and improved model that has arrived on the scene. for every fight vargas has had that he was expected to have trouble, but prevailed? trinidad has had three. trinidad always faces the guy who is supposed to dethrone him. for seven years. and has emerged victorious every time. you do not do the man justice when you overlook these facts. you kid yourselves. Prediction: felix trinidad knocks out vargas in the sixth round [everyone enjoy a great fight! i know i will!] :) mark