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To: Mary Cluney who wrote (120203)	12/1/2000 9:26:32 PM
From: Elmer	Respond to of 186894

Re: "When after you count all the votes that is defined to be legal and more votes go to your opponent and you are legally elected - that could arguably be called winning by a technicality" I would remind you that we operate under the electoral system and the one with the most electoral votes wins, regardless of popular vote. So are you claiming that one might win the electoral college and this would be considered winning on a technicality, or are you referring to the popular vote in Florida not being the decisive factor in choosing the winner in Florida, in which case that would be winning on a technicality? EP

To: Mary Cluney who wrote (120203)	12/1/2000 11:23:20 PM
From: WTSherman	Respond to of 186894

<I have now lost much of my respect for either one of these guys.< There is a way out, you know. Both sides could agree that this is totally bad and come up with a way of dealing with it. For example, Dems agree to give up the fight and support the eventual Prez. Republicans agree to have Cheney resign for health reasons. He's replaced by Powell as VP elect. Once approved by Republican party, Bush resigns and Powell becomes President Elect. Republicans get Presidency, Dems don't have to deal with the Bush...

To: Mary Cluney who wrote (120203)	12/2/2000 12:07:06 AM
From: Meathead	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 186894

Hi Mary. Could you be more specific? Re: When after you count all the votes that is defined to be legal and more votes go to your opponent and you are legally elected - that could arguably be called winning by a technicality. I'm not sure what you mean by that or if your referring to the electoral college vs. popular vote. I assume you are referring to Florida only. In terms of technicalities, they are too numerous to ascertain the true will of the people nationally and in at least 6 states. Of note is the statistical significance of what's happening if Florida which the liberal media has been very reluctant to report. Statewide, 175,000 ballots out of 6M registered no preference for president which is about 3%. Nationwide, 2M out of 100M or about 2% did the same. In Miami Dade, 14,000 or about 2% registered no preference. There is no statistical anomaly here, if anything, it's well below the state average. In heavily Republican Duval county, some 20,000 ballots, or 9% registered no preference. The Dems like to count heavily Democratic precincts in their 1% sample to demonstrate how inaccurate the initial count was and linearly extrapolate as to how many votes they will pick up if the count is completed. Anyone with 3d grade arithmetic skills knows how absurd this is. Palm Beach is a good data point. The projection was that Gore would pick up 1900 votes... we all know how that turned out. If the Democratic assertions are correct, then we don't really know who won the popular vote because nationwide, 2 Million votes "have never been counted once". Furthermore, with the media's bungling of the early erroneous call of Gore's Florida win combined with wins in every key battleground state, we don't know how many Bush votes were lost due to those who left the polls without casting. As we now know, a few hundred extra votes in the Florida panhandle which is in a different time zone could have made a huge difference... not to mention potential scores on the west coast. I won't go into the military absentee issue or Democratic operatives who set out immediately in several counties to disqualify as many Bush votes as possible while pleading with the nation to let every vote count. As far as I know, Gore has never led the count in Florida yet the claims are that the Republicans are trying to steal the election. You can't have something stolen from you that you have never owned. I would submit that the Dems are trying to steal it from Bush. The bottom line is that basically, the nation is spilt and we have a tie. The tiebreaker has been decided by legislation and it is trying to be overturned with legislative re-interpretation. So we can count the 10-14k ballots in Miami Dade with subjective Democratic standards. Then we can count the 20k undervotes in Duval county with subjective Republican standards. Then we might as well count the other 145k ballots statewide with willy nilly whatever standards. We should probably just go ahead and count those 2M nationally not yet counted once ballots as well and make it a free-for all. Neither one of these candidates seem to be a great choice. Many vote for what they believe to be the lesser of two evils. But that's neither here nor there. All I really care about is when Intel, Dell and the market will eventually recover. MEATHEAD