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To: BCherry168 who wrote (80572)	12/2/2000 12:12:28 AM
From: isopatch	Respond to of 95453

OT/Good points. I don't know how this will play out. Am not an attorney or someone who makes his living from government or political activities. My political posts are as much intellectual R&R and just plain old fun as they are an effort to shed light on specific issues I see as being of over arching importance. Generally speaking, I don't have all that much faith in politicians or government to act in "the public interest" to begin with. So when (IMHO) one of them really goes over the top, I've absolutely no quams about bashing the living daylights out of them(G). Best Iso

To: BCherry168 who wrote (80572)	12/2/2000 3:41:14 PM
From: Douglas V. Fant	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 95453

BCherry, Warren is an honorable man. I once tried to get him to represent legally a particular international resistance movement about four years ago. Since he found their viewpoint repugnant, he refused even to take their calls. While I disagreed with his position, I was impressed by how he stood by his principles- a very honorable man..... If you count hanging chads, then you need to count all "hanging chads" in Florida and that includes the 26,000 hanging chads in Duval County if you are going to be fair, and again this is without even getting into the military ballot debacle.... Again from a historical perspective I compare Mssr. Gore with the Gracchi Brothers and the agrarian reform movement in post- Carthagininan Wars in Republican Rome circa 135-122 b.c., and the damage and chaos that the Gracchi Brothers inflicted upon the institutions of the Roman Republic when the Gracchi Brothers tried to implement their reform program which they described as "fair and just". From "A History of Rome": The End of Republican Rome - Page 10 of 39 Significance of the Gracchi The Gracchi are tragic figures: genuine reformers who made fatal mistakes in political judgment. Together they mark the introduction of violence into Roman politics and the circumvention of the constitution, trends that will become more and more extreme in the next century. They also raised the spectre of class warfare -- populares against optimates, a spectre that had not threatened Rome since the end of the Struggle of the Orders. The populares were those who advocated radical reform, and the optimates were those who opposed it, or who preferred to go slowly. In general, the wealthy and the Senate were in the optimate camp, while the common people supported the populares. What was most insidious was that the people of Rome could be bribed or bullied into voting for either at whim. Finally, the crisis with the Gracchus brothers revealed the weakness of the patriciate and of the constitution. The Senate could be circumvented; not without price, but it appeared that there were those willing to pay the price. What was circumvented once would later be trampled repeatedly. More at: history.idbsu.edu Start reading at 133 b.c. "Tiberius Gracchus- The First Act"- Read how in 133 b.c. Gracchus' supporters bodily carried the Tribune out of the Roman Senate in order to prevent his veto of the Land Act- Hilarious, but with modern parallels....: