To: greenspirit who wrote (99582 ) 12/3/2000 6:21:55 PM From: Ellen Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 769670 Now that's really interesting and, to my mind, much more significant than an analyst's opinion. Thanks for the link. Great food for thought.a trial court’s factual determination that a contested certified election reliably reflects the will of the voters outweighs the court’s determination of unintentional wrongdoing by election officials in order to allow the real parties in interest--the voters--to prevail. By unintentional wrongdoing, we mean noncompliance with statutorily mandated election procedures in situations in which the noncompliance results from incompetence, lack of care, or, as we find occurred in this election, the election officials’ erroneous understanding of the statutory requirements. In sum, we hold that even in a situation in which a trial court finds substantial noncompliance caused by unintentional wrongdoing as we have defined it, the court is to void the election only if it finds that the substantial noncompliance resulted in doubt as to whether a certified election reflected the will of the voters. Florida State Statutes also say in 101.61-68, there is a criminal penalty for filling out a ballot application, fraudulently. However, GOP election volunteers filled out correct information (Voter ID numbers) on the ballot applications. The law also states that the ballot can be thrown out only if the electors (voters) signature, and witness, are either false (fraudulent) or missing. Well, it personally bothers me that this case you cite found as it did, but I understand the reasoning behind it. This case does not, as referred here (I haven't checked the actual link yet), address the other two applicable statutes. So there are still questions, at least in my mind, about this. > Think about this....if you show up to vote without your voter registration card, poll workers routinely look you up in the book of registered voters. After finding your name, and presenting I.D. you are allowed to vote. Seminole County officials did basically the same thing to absentee voters. < Now that is a very good point. And I hadn't thought of that before. But what you describe is done with the voter's knowledge because they are standing right there. In the case of the applications, they were altered without the knowledge of the voter which is prohibited by Florida law. Another consideration: Did all these voters actually request the application or where they sent unsolicited to the voters? Sending them unsolicited is also against Florida law. I have a feeling that there is much more to be known here than what has, to date, been reported. It has been reported that the attorney for the plaintiff has received access to applicable records from the election officials, so I will for now just wait to see what is learned & reported from the findings.