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Politics : Al Gore vs George Bush: the moderate's perspective -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?


To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (8335)12/4/2000 5:45:28 AM
From: JDN  Respond to of 10042
 
Dear Nadine: Actually, it came out in the trial yesterday that those comparisons between punch cards and optically scanning equipment were only AVERAGES. That when one put the entire counties map of Fla up on the screen and compared punch cards to optical scanning equipment where the counties abutted each other the UnderVote was about the same. JDN



To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (8335)12/4/2000 7:48:24 AM
From: Northern Marlin  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 10042
 
Nadine, portions of your post are in italics:

On November 8th, after it became clear how incredibly close this election would be, I think both camps made the same series of calculations. They looked at:

The voting populations in each county,
The voting patterns in each county,
The voting machine types used in each county, and
The error/miss rates of each machine type.


Maybe each side did all of the above, or part of the above. But I understand that it's your opinion that they did those things.

Turns out, the majority of voting population using the old punch card machines, with their 2% error rates, were in Democratic areas. The majority of the voting population using the new scanning machines, with a 0.3% error rate, were in Republican areas.

Please refer to your sources of information that support these two statements.

Therefore a manual recount, which would find missed votes, would benefit Gore more than Bush. This is assuming no bias, and no guessing at dimpled chads.

From what premise did you draw this conclusion?

Both camps came to the same conclusion. The Democrats filed for recounts in the large punch card counties.

May I ask if the "conclusion" you speak of here is "Therefore a manual recount, which would find missed votes, would benefit Gore more than Bush."? I submit that this is your opinion only, not a logical conclusion based on known facts.

The GOP began crying in unison: 'manual recounts are unheard of! unreliable! chaotic! vote invention!' etc., etc.

Please provide a source for the above quote that you attribute to the GOP. Or would it be fair to say that this is your interpretation of the GOP's actions in regard to manual recounts?

Remember, the cries began before any recount actually happened.

The rest is history.


Nadine, I'll be waiting patiently for your replies to the points I've raised above regarding your post.

Meanwhile, I'd like to provide you with some facts, from which you may draw your own conclusions:

FACT: On November 7, 2000 Democratic campaign officials hired Telequest, a Dallas-based telemarketing firm. Telequest was contracted to contact registered Democrats in Palm Beach County. The script used by Telequest's telemarketing agents included an inquiry if the voter had been confused while attempting to use the "butterfly" ballot, perhaps voting for the wrong candidate? Telequest's CEO, in an interview several days after the election proudly states that they contacted 5,000 registered Democrats in 45 minutes.

FACT: Congressman Wexler (sp.?), the Democratic representative whose district is in, or includes Palm Beach County, announces to the press on Election Night that his office has received thousands of calls from voters who thought the "butterfly" ballot was confusing, many stating that they might have voted for Buchanan by mistake.

FACT: William Daley is Gore's campaign manager. Mr. Daley is from Cook County, Illinois. Cook County uses a "butterfly" ballot.

CONCLUSION: Draw your own.

FACT: The Democrats filed for recounts in Broward, Miami-Dade, and Palm Beach.

Here are some questions for you to consider, Nadine: Are these three the only "large punch card counties" in the state of Florida? If your answer is no, they aren't, then I ask you why didn't the Democratic Party file for recounts in the other large punch card counties?

Phil