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To: fyodor_ who wrote (21455)12/4/2000 2:13:43 PM
From: GoutamRead Replies (2) | Respond to of 275872
 
fyodor,

re:< (all with a given, reasonable, cooling scheme).

Thus: "that they [PIIIs] can actually work with that low a Tj is a testimony to the low power dissipation of the PIII"
>

I view this differently - they are getting away with it because its Intel. If any ordinary company puts out their chips at such lower Tj-max claiming their chips consume low power wouldn't last long a minute in their industry unless the chips are one of a kind without any other alternatives.

To stay competitive with Athlon, Intel compromised the reliability at the chip level by lowering PIII's 1GHz Tj-max.

The burden of providing the required reliability was shifted to the external cooling system design & maintenance. The company got away with it without any complaints from oems and technical press because its Intel.

Since PIII 1GHz CPUs' reliability in the system environment is now more dependant on the external cooling system due to low limit of Tj-max, even a simple thing such as dust collection on the heatsink may cause system failures, may even cause permanently damaged cpus.

goutama



To: fyodor_ who wrote (21455)12/4/2000 2:55:44 PM
From: Ali ChenRespond to of 275872
 
<However, IF the Tj is extremely low, then either

a) The processor won't work.
b) The heat dissipation of the processor is very low.>

You forgot the other option:

c) It uses a giant copper heat sink.

From publications and experience we know that
the correct answer is (c). Those who operated
under assumption (b) had to recall their products.

Cheers,
-Ali