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To: LarsA who wrote (8458)	12/5/2000 9:48:02 PM
From: 49thMIMOMander	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 34857

<Ollila, is of course an ancient Swedish family name, as Tero and I well know...> Maybe, Olle och Ulla, but it is not a matter of genes nor jeans, more a matter of culture, consensus and realpolitics. (you might have him mixed with Kairamo, who, in my opinion and experience, started the whole thing, especially the combination, synergy of consumer and "professional electronics", in spite of his swedish heritage) Ilmarinen. P.S. Well, there was some Wikstedt-Westerlund,etc involved too.. not that cute but did some smart things.. (there is a 5-6% swedish speaking minority in Finland, for those who don't know, our local coastal swedes, can't get rid of them) P.P.S When will Ericsson sort out the inside fights and reach a consensus, we are getting really worried on this side of the bay!! (Btw, what was the last name of this early NMT hero you regularly hype in Sweden??)

To: LarsA who wrote (8458)	12/6/2000 4:46:15 AM
From: Puck	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 34857

OT: Actually, Lars, the Vikings once had a strong presence in the British Isles after the collapse of the Roman empire. (There's even a Viking Museum in the city of York that tells all about it.) A lot of place names in northern Scotland are Scandinavian in origin. In fact, I'm told, that on Shetland Island the natives speak their English with a lilt. I don't think it would be that far fetched to think that historical Irish names could have some Scandinavian influence.

To: LarsA who wrote (8458)	12/8/2000 6:42:47 AM
From: Joar	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 34857

<Ollila, is of course an ancient Swedish family name, as Tero and I well know...> Dear Lars, I think you may be wrong this point. Both Jorma and Ollila are entirely and very Finnish names. May be an originally Swedish family, who adopted it or “translated” their family name into a Finnish version, but that is a little bit something else. If the latter, what then was the Swedish original family name? There was a period in Finnish history, when even some Swedish people in Finland (members of the Swedish minority of Finland), “translated” their names into Finnish versions, in the ambition to adopt a new Finnish identity influenced by a pro-Finnish and nationalistic political view. This happened in the then young nation, which had become independent that after being first a part of Sweden, and later a part of Russia. (Sweden at a time of history included Finland, which then was lost to Russia in a war. Finland’s independency from Russia was later achieved through a long and cruel war). The translation of Swedish family names into Finnish was also connected to movements of nationalism and anti-Swedish ideas flourishing at a certain periods of Finnish history. Example from people I know: the Swedish name Wahlroos was translated into the Finnish-sounding Valpola, which thus became the name of the succeeding family arm. Joar