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Politics : PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: TigerPaw who wrote (105294)	12/8/2000 9:49:45 AM
From: H-Man	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769670

Most of the Country dis agrees with you. Even if you give the ~189 votes to Gore from Palm Beach manual recount. Even if you continue to manually re-count the Miami Dade. since after counting all of the heavily democrat precincts they only got 200 votes, the remaining precincts are most likley to close the gap, if not push Bush into the positive there. Then you have to consider what would happen if they manually recounted the other punch card counties, which are all republican, you have the situation that would most likely expand Bush's lead. So yes most folks belive that Bush won, and for good logical reasons. The only way for Gore to win is to get Palm Beach contested ballots changed, which would involve changing the standard yet again (3rd time), and prevent a manual recount of the remaining 14 counties with punch cards. Could happen I suppose. Your conspiracy theory is more appropriate to the black helicopter crowd imo.

To: TigerPaw who wrote (105294)	12/8/2000 10:18:06 AM
From: Neocon	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769670

The election was so close in so many states, why shouldn't I believe that Bush was a likely to win as Gore? You say that all evidence points to the contrary, I say that that is speculation, and elections deal in fact. No tricks were required for the outcome, that is a rationalization of the Gore forces for the fact that there was no groundswell of support for their candidate, and that by the rules, he lost. With a shift of a few thousand votes potentially moving other states to Bush, and allegations of fraud in other localities, like Milwaukee and Madison, I am not even convinced that Gore legitimately won the nationwide popular vote, but it doesn't matter, and it was better not to cast more doubt on the integrity of the process. There is now ample confirmation that the early call for Gore in Florida suppressed votes in the panhandle, after surveying registered voters in the area, and therefore reason to believe that Bush's margin would have been greater without network interference. That is one of the reasons why it can never be a matter of absolute justice, because I can match my speculations about the will of the people being thwarted against yours any day. Thus, we are left with the rules, which is that one counts validly cast ballots showing clear intent according to well- defined rules. Bingo, Bush wins.......