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Politics : Electoral College 2000 - Ahead of the Curve -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?


To: TraderGreg who wrote (5428)12/9/2000 6:51:33 PM
From: moosebeary  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 6710
 
McVey is a murderer, a mass murderer, and the sooner

he is executed, just the same as all murderers, the better off we will all be. Why is it, Greg, you always want to make up what others think, and then pretend that they actually do think what you made up for them? "Others may think for me, but not to the exclusion of me thinking for myself."

As to Koresh, you say you don't think he was a religion. Does that matter, in your mind? So, you think Farrakan is a religion, but Koresh isn't, therefore if the Federal govt was to send in the storm troopers on Farrakan, as per my question to you, that would be wrong, but if they send them in on Koresh, as they did, then that is right, in your mind, because one is a religion and the other isn't? Strange double standard you have there, in your mind. I on the other hand, think it would be wrong in either case, as both men are citizens of the United States, in their homes and/or places of worship, and have been CONVICTED OF NOTHING, and are bothering nobody. And it doesn't matter one little bit whether Koresh was a "monster", or not. Fact is, he had the right to have a warrant served on him in a respectful and usual manner, as he was in no way posing a threat to anyone at the time. Instead, he looked out his window and saw "black-clad Ninja warriors", as the liberal Senator Diane Fienstien called them in the Senate hearing on the matter, comming across his roof, with full-auto weapons aimed and cocked at him and his followers. Now, Greg, is that the way you think a warrant should be served in America? Or, do you think, as your previous post suggests, that it is proper service on Koresh, but it would be wrong to serve that way on Farrakan? That is the issue.

By the way, the good Senator from California was not giving Clinton's shock troops a compliment on their taste in fashionable attire for early morning warrant service, but rather, she was shocked and horrified, as any citizen of this country would be, at the actions of her govt at someone's home.

Well, Greg, should all citizens be treated with respect when being served or arrested, or just the ones you like, while the govt is free to murder the ones you don't like?

Best regards, Moose



To: TraderGreg who wrote (5428)12/9/2000 8:47:48 PM
From: The Philosopher  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 6710
 
Let's just say I don't put David
Koresh in the same class as a religion.


Sorry, but that shows extraordinary ignorance of Koresh. He was part of a well established offshoot of a well established religion. His knowledge of the Bible was extraordinary, and his Biblical teachings, whether or not you agreed with them, were significant. Several professors of religion at major univerities were consulted by the government and were clear that he had legitimate religious beliefs and convictions, whether or not you agreed with him.

Maybe you don't consider Martin Luther, John Calvin, or many others to be in the same class as a religion?

No religion springs from the ground immediately with tens of thousands of members. Christ started with twelve disciples, which is a lot fewer than Koresh had.

Narrowmindedness doesn't help discussion.