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To: Skeeter Bug who wrote (86502)	12/9/2000 9:14:28 PM
From: Jeff Leader	Respond to of 132070

There is obviously plenty of blame all around. The FL legislature deserves quite a bit also. It did not legislate a specific, statewide standard for manual recounts. For the courts to do so now would be legally difficult. Also, the FL election laws are what allowed Gore to try to cherry pick certain counties. I agree with you that if Gore is unsuccessful now, he has burned his bridges for 2004. But it pains me to hear so many people already talking up Billery. <g>

To: Skeeter Bug who wrote (86502)	12/9/2000 9:58:20 PM
From: benwood	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 132070

most would much rather take a machine count result with a high error rate than let candidates cherry pick in this manner I would, too, except the errors were not uniform. Without all the problems -- jammed chad causing dimpled ballots predominately in Democratic strongholds, the butterfly ballot, understaffed precincts in minority neighborhoods, GOP personally completing absentee ballots and turning them in (how thoughtful!), driver's license registrations of minorities that "disappeared", Gore would have won by 20-30 thousand votes. I doubt that he realized how he had been robbed of much of that until the machine recount, and at that point he should have asked for a hand recount of the entire state. He would forever have been the moral ground holder who was thoroughly robbed by the GOP at virtually all levels and could have helped his party enormously. The whole process has been rather sickening, but none more so than the new entitlement party, the GOP, in showing the rest of America that if Bush somehow lost Florida, he was still REALLY entitled (wink-wink) to be our minority president and they would simply appoint their own Electors. The GOP has shown the way for all states to behave in close elections of the future. Of course, it only works when your citizenry goes against the majority party in the state. The person who pointed out the win-at-all-cost hit the nail right on the head. The other part to this modern thing is that nobody should ever have to wait for anything -- certainly not 4 years. Get it now -- your millions or billions in stock options, your huge estate, your massive Ford Excursion SUV, or whatever. We are certainly the generation that can't wait to go into debt, and our politicians (some anyway) are starting to reflect that. Interestingly, none of this would have even been noticed had we gotten rid of the electoral college. I sincerely hope that that occurs after Bush is voted out in 4 years (he certainly won't eliminate the system that got him in! He might need it again!). Without the electoral college, perhaps the voter skewing with outmoded equipment would not have ever been revealed. Certainly, I would like to think there is some silver lining out of all this.