To: Scrapps who wrote (108946 ) 12/10/2000 7:54:06 AM From: Ilaine Respond to of 769667 Interesting to bring up Jefferson in this context. Jefferson was involved in a naked power grab as soon as he took office. Have you ever studied the history of Marbury v. Madison? From a website at James Madison University: >> Marbury v. Madison (1803) Background and Explanation -- Melvin I. Urofsky Just as George Washington helped shape the actual form that the executive branch would take, so the third chief justice, John Marshall, shaped the role that the courts would play. Under the administrations of Washington and his successor, John Adams, only members of the ruling Federalist Party were appointed to the bench, and under the terms of the Constitution, they held office for life during "good behavior." Thus, when the opposing Republicans¹ won the election of 1800, the Jeffersonians¹ found that while they controlled the presidency and Congress, the Federalists¹ still dominated the judiciary. One of the first acts of the new administration was to repeal the Judiciary Act of 1800, which had created a number of new judgeships. Although President Adams had attempted to fill the vacancies prior to the end of his term, a number of commissions had not been delivered, and one of the appointees, William Marbury, sued Secretary of State James Madison to force him to deliver his commission as a justice of the peace.<<jmu.edu The Founding Fathers weren't exactly above the fray. -g- In fact, I surmise that it was their hatred of each other's politics and distrust of each other's motives that led to the system of checks and balances. It wasn't theoretical, it was all too real. They didn't have to look ahead 200 years, they just had to look across the table to see what men are capable of, and will do, to get power.