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To: Peter J Hudson who wrote (89719)12/10/2000 9:34:34 AM
From: dan_oz  Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 152472
 
OT Election: Peter, I think the only valid standard is to have the chad punched completely out of the ballot. Machine error or not, it was made clear (with signs throughout the polling places)that it is the responsibility of the voter to insure that his/her ballot clearly indicates a choice. The signs in the polling places told voters to make sure no "hanging chads" or failed punches were on their ballots when they submitted them, and if they had a problem, they could ask for assistance or get a new ballot.

Any more liberal standard to this at best invites tampering and corruption and at worst denies a voter their right to not pick a candidate for president by divining a choice from a scratch on the ballot.

Regards,
Dan



To: Peter J Hudson who wrote (89719)12/10/2000 3:59:15 PM
From: waverider  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 152472
 
Totally agree that this whole thing has been great for the country. Has motivated people to get involved. That is a total plus...

As far as standards...the standard should be that if the chad is not totally punched out it does NOT count. Really quite simple.
No room for error there.
No subjective opinions.
No room for someone over handling a ballot and causing a different outcome.

Peter, recounting of any kind changes the outcome in ways that can not be controlled. It is not right for subjective judgements to determine a voter's intent...or to handle the ballots so many times that the risk of spoiling is extremely high.

This whole issue is classic Democratic philosophy. We will never know if the Republicans would have pulled the same stunt, but I find it rather amusing that once again that when an issue to boiled down to personal responsibility...the Democrats always come up for a reason to shift it to the government and away from the individual...
The poll helpers were unhelpful.
The ballot was confusing.
The ballot was hard to punch.
There were roadblocks on way to the ballot place.
Blah, blah, blah.

Damn it...if you can't get your act together enough to get to the polling place and make sure your vote is being processed properly then that is just to damn bad. The polling place is one of the last public institutions that isn't covered in government materalism. What is, is. Well, ok, maybe the IRS is pretty tough.

If the problem is with the balloting process, then fix the machines for next time. But don't mess with the situation after the fact.