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To: Maurice Winn who wrote (89724)	12/10/2000 3:51:48 AM
From: Peter J Hudson	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 152472

Maurice, Most US citizens don't realize that us hunter gatherers in Alaska have more electoral influence than the rest of the country. We don't need a Kiwi educating them on how it works. Please refrain from referring to people as hillbillies, the proper term is southern democrat. Pete PS. You have to side with George W. He not only is the king of murdering murderers, he will pardon $Bill Gates.

To: Maurice Winn who wrote (89724)	12/10/2000 5:39:21 AM
From: 49thMIMOMander	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 152472

OTP: The dream of the agrarian THomas Jefferson (ideas imported from France), the self supporting family farmer (no slaves, just a lot of kids and cows, some horses) was actually put into practice in Finland. The result is still seen as a centrist agrarian party in a balanced 20-20-20% fight, although the family farmers are fewer and fewer, due to mechanization, tractors and fertilizers. This centrist agrarian party is interesting, not the best buddy of big capital, not the best buddy of monthly or hourly payed union industrial workers, more a friend of entrepeneurs, long time investing, understanding that the weather is somewhat unpredictable as the market, risk management, education, health care and veterinarians, weather forecasts, cooperation,etc.. Additionally one need something to do in the winter, forrestry is great, so investing in some forrest ready for some capital gains in 50-60 years balances the yearly variations, the commodity market of Hillary and Newt. One pain is that the cows need to be milked every day, problem visiting relatives, taking a vacation, we have heard of NZ cows who are slightly less productive but less seasonally dependent in the basic services?? (but one cannot leave a finnish cow out in the snow, easier with reindeer) But the real interesting thing is this agrarian, common sense and centrist, moderate force. The regular right and left cannot mud and dogfight and make fools out of themselves without considering the danger that the center points out the foolishness.. And when the center is doing that, both right and left jump on them. Two can always fight indefinitely, with three one will grab the opportunity of having fun pointing out the two mudfighting idiots.. The finnish Saame are also having a problem figuring out who has the historical rights and who doesn't, but they are sorting out the reindeers. Interesting how reindeers, needing to eat and walk all over the 3-4 northern nations change the concept of property rights, neighbours and especially the "no trespassing" sign of more southern, not even pedestrian farmers?! Much like the operator around the bend must lower the transmit power for my basestation to work and I have to do the same, for both of us to handle all the mobile handsets and roaming reindeers compared to more pedestrian, less mobile cows?? (not considering bulls, who sometimes move fast and far, spreading fertility like teenagers without condomes in the pocket, even without sending SMS messages) Ilmarinen, installing Magic WinMe for the teenagers, Plug and Pray, Waiting for Another Happy Blue Screen

To: Maurice Winn who wrote (89724)	12/10/2000 11:28:31 AM
From: Win-Lose-Draw	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 152472

Maybe the 21st century is going to degenerate into bedlam. Insanity seems to rule. Absolutely. William Gibson was right.

To: Maurice Winn who wrote (89724)	12/10/2000 4:09:18 PM
From: waverider	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 152472

>>>Adulation of the people who wrote a rather simplistic document is going a bit far.<<< Maurice, you've got to be kidding me. You don't think the founding fathers of the United States do not deserve adulation for writing the US Constitution, risking their lives to defy England and for many, watching their familes killed and property taken as a result? Does not the foundation of the nation that inspires millions to seek their own freedom deserve some adulation? I know we've made a lot of mistakes Maurice, but really. I know it is fun to be flippant, but seriously you should examine your logic in making a statement like that. Rick