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To: Tommy Hicks who wrote (109775)	12/10/2000 6:38:15 PM
From: CatLady	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769667

"Let's recount all the undervotes in Florida using the standard that only perforated ballots constitute a legal vote. " Something that fair and sensible can't possibly be legal, can it?

To: Tommy Hicks who wrote (109775)	12/10/2000 6:52:04 PM
From: TideGlider	Respond to of 769667

I would like someone to look at the "overvotes" also. Those would be the ballots with more than one selection for President. I would like to see that to determine if some poll worker was able to destroy the votes of a particular candidate by reaming the chads of another. TG

To: Tommy Hicks who wrote (109775)	12/10/2000 7:05:04 PM
From: James R. Barrett	Respond to of 769667

Gore will never go for it because he knows his democratic vote counters won't be able to cheat and if they can't cheat he will lose. This is what the hand count is all about, being able to cheat.

To: Tommy Hicks who wrote (109775)	12/10/2000 7:16:30 PM
From: turtletuft	Respond to of 769667

I saw them counting those votes. The only way I would want to count those under votes is if there were more republicans that democrats to make the final judgement on whose vote it is. The democrats would not agree to that condition.

To: Tommy Hicks who wrote (109775)	12/10/2000 7:46:00 PM
From: JLIHAI	Respond to of 769667

100% accuracy in this election is not possible because the Floridian voting system in place on Nov. 7 could not sustain that level of accuracy. A lot of people have been under the impression that the manual recounts would increase the accuracy. If they've been striving for accuracy, they're going about it the wrong way. They've been sloppy, arbitrary and subjective. The Gore campaign, by pressing for Palm Beach to be redone, has implicitly affirmed that the standards in either Broward or Palm Beach or both were subjective. Yet the Florida Supreme Court forced both totals to be included in the count. Then they tried a scheme to count the undervotes in the rest of the state, when many counties don't have the undervotes segregated from the machine-readables. (Time pressure) When one person looks at a ballot with a magnifying glass and says "No vote" and another person picks up that same ballot, eyeballs it for one second and says "Gore", try and maintain that an objective count is underway. Legitimacy is based in the Constitution. The president is elected based on the electoral college and the Constitution specifies that the manner in which the state's electors are chosen is to be determined by the legislature. National popular vote is irrelevant because it is neither a sufficient nor a required condition to be president elect. Accuracy in Florida's count is already a lost cause but someone has to make it official. The Florida Supreme Court took that authority away from the individual who was designated to make that call; that's one problem. The legality of the undervotes was a "make up the rules as you go along" situation. That's another problem. In order for a president to be legitimate, the election has to conform to the U.S. Constitution; Constitutional legitimacy is the only legitimacy that matters.