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To: Qone0 who wrote (110554)	12/11/2000 12:53:55 PM
From: Dave Gore	Respond to of 769667

U.S. Supreme Court tapes now being played. I think the Manual Recount will be OK'd. We'll see. I could very well could be wrong, but to say Florida Law on manual recount procedure is unconstitutional now, after being in use for many years, seems unlikely to me. I just can't see the highest court in the land striking it down when it is at best, borderline. I don't think they want to break into states rights unless they absolutely must.

To: Qone0 who wrote (110554)	12/11/2000 12:53:56 PM
From: Ellen	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769667

You forgot machine error which sometimes does not read a valid vote. Even the manufacturer will tell you that. Of course there will be some no votes in the undervotes. But not all undervotes are no votes. It's infuriating to see so much useless and self-serving debate over how horrible recounts and standards are by the Republicans. They are commonly used in close elections and a little bit of common sense in determining whether or not the ballot reflects a clear intent is not rocket science. The Republicans have demonized it for their own purpose - to allow Bush to enter the Presidency via the back door rather than allow the voters to speak. And if this particular back door doesn't work for him, he is ready to allow the Florida legislature to try to open it for him.

To: Qone0 who wrote (110554)	12/11/2000 12:54:29 PM
From: Ellen	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769667

You forgot machine error which sometimes does not read a valid vote. Even the manufacturer will tell you that. Of course there will be some no votes in the undervotes. But not all undervotes are no votes. It's infuriating to see so much useless and self-serving debate over how horrible recounts and standards are by the Republicans. They are commonly used in close elections and a little bit of common sense in determining whether or not the ballot reflects a clear intent is not rocket science. The Republicans have demonized it for their own purpose - to allow Bush to enter the Presidency via the back door rather than allow the voters to speak. And if this particular back door doesn't work for him, he is ready to allow the Florida legislature to try to open it for him.

To: Qone0 who wrote (110554)	12/11/2000 1:18:13 PM
From: Area51	Respond to of 769667

Hi Robert, That is exactly right. The count in Broward is an excellent example of a convassing board working to get the desired result rather than an unbiased count: Message 14907164 The second issue is that Gore is not entitled to a remedy unless he can show that the three or four counts that have already been done are somehow unfair to him, and that he was an alternate scheme that would result in fairer results. Since Gore has never done this it is clear to me that he is not entitled to another chance.