To: long-gone who wrote (61931 ) 12/12/2000 10:53:25 AM From: Rarebird Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 116759 <The Founding Fathers were concerned with liberty, not democracy.> Ruling elites like some of the founding fathers saw themselves as experts and insisted ordinary citizens were unqualified to participate in a dialogue on workers' rights or environmental protection. However, what they really mean is that their ruling status gave them the right to pursue profit without regard for human life. Multinational corporations and their government defenders often place property rights and corporate profit above human rights. They conduct cost-benefits analyses to determine how much a human life is worth, like Perot did in arguing for the Death Penalty a number of years ago. Moreover, the cost of saving a life is measured against how much it would cost the corporation to put safety standards in place. Right Wing spinmasters like you and Rush Limbaugh refer to democracy as "mob rule." Some of the nation's founders were elitists who wanted all the power for themselves. From the words of Alexander Hamilton: ""The people are turbulent and changing; they seldom judge or determine right. Give therefore to the first class [the rich and well born] a distinct, permanent share in the government." (Max Farrand, The Records of the Federal Convention of 1787. Your Representative Republic as provided in the Original Constitution did not grant rights to women or blacks. This nation had slavery until the Thirteenth Amendment, 1865. The Thirteenth Amendment reads: "Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude...shall exist within the United States." Until the Nineteenth Amendment, in 1920, the Constitution did not allow women to vote. The Nineteenth Amendment reads: "The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by any state on account of sex." The real heroes of this Nation are not elitests like Hamilton but people who fought for civil liberties like Harriet Tubman, Rosa Parks, Martin Luther King, Susan B. Anthony, Haym Solomon(know who he is?), Ralph Nadar, Eleanor Roosvelt. The Objective rule of Law that you implicitly champion is not very objective. Fixed principles are also subject to human interpretation and revision. You remember, what Ben Franklin said, "A Republic, if you can keep it."