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Strategies & Market Trends : Steve's Channelling Thread -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Hickory who wrote (8884)	12/12/2000 9:39:52 AM
From: Steve Lee	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 30051

Because you can't just pick which state's laws you want to abide by dependent on the outcome you desire. For an election in Florida, you have to abide by Florida laws. In Florida, there is no definition of what votes count except the clear intent of the voter. If there is ambiguity, as in the case of dimples etc, then the intent is not clear, it is ambiguous, so the vote should not count. That is the law. The laws in place are not necessarily giving this election a fair outcome. But the laws must be nevertheless abided by. The time to challenge those laws were before the election. I did not see Gore examining this issue then, unlike Bush in his state.

To: Hickory who wrote (8884)	12/12/2000 10:13:46 AM
From: Sabrejet	Respond to of 30051

Because, that's NOT the LAW in Florida. That is the issue. Nowhere in the statute does it tell the canvassing boards HOW to disseminate with objectivity what is or is not a vote. This is the whole argument. Sabre!

To: Hickory who wrote (8884)	12/12/2000 10:44:20 AM
From: SBHX	Respond to of 30051

Why shouldn't the votes be counted in Florida by the same standard set in the Texas law signed by Governor Bush I'm not sure, I think : 1. The Texas Law was not the law of florida before the election. If it was the law before the election then, you could argue that everyone in the voting booths in Florida casting their ballots has that as a guiding principle. If someone thought that the law says that a vote=clearly punched chad. Suppose he doesn't really like to vote for anyone, but already started to, then he would not ask for a new ballot. In Texas, knowing that any mark is a valid vote, he WILL ask for a new ballot, or make multiple punches to spoil his vote. In Florida, he might not bother to ask for a new ballot, since he imagined it will not be counted. 2. GW Bush is governor of Texas not Florida. 3. People in power sign laws that they think are precise and exact, when in reality they always fall back to cop outs at the end. The texas law apparently has a catch all in the end that falls back on the same weak language of voter intent used in Florida. 4. Some people want to ignore rule of law, and are surprised that you get chaos when you do that. Well, laws are supposed to be exact. The fact that there is now so much chaos testifies to how much problems you have in your electoral laws everywhere. What happened in Florida could have happened ANYWHERE else in the US when you have two unpopular weak candidates. If there is a reason to ignore the rules, at least the goal better be worth it, because the road there might be lined with lots of pileups. 5. Even the US constitution now is shown to be not an airtight document. Which should make americans ponder carefully, before they next try to teach the world about democracy. 6. 5 weeks after the election, and still you have no president. The next time the US secretary of State (Albright or Powell) attacks some country with govts stuffing the ballots after their election and delaying the anouncement of the results of their vote, s/he better wait at least 5 weeks first. (vbg) SbH

To: Hickory who wrote (8884)	12/12/2000 2:05:55 PM
From: Shaw	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 30051

Hickory, this is the real world, grown ups have to play by the rules. Gore lost the machine count, period. The machine count was recounted, thats it. Its over, I can handle that. If your really concerned, you can spend the next fours years fixing the voting system. Look I am not so stupid, or nieve not to think that a whole lot of shoving and pushing wasn't going on, when both sides thought no one was looking. Thats life, that type of weakness and dishonesty will always be with us. I'm far from perferct, how about you. On that day Bush won the machine counted vote, the vote was recounted and Bush one, end of story. Its an election, but its a race, and by the rules Bush won, with out winning the national popular vote. We live in a republic, the electoral colledge is part of the balance of power aspects inherit to the constitution. Remeber I voted for Gore. This is about accepting the rules, and living with them.