To: seismic_guru who wrote (623 ) 12/12/2000 12:17:30 PM From: SofaSpud Respond to of 37412 That's exactly why I brought up the CF18 thing: "Liberal, Tory, same old story" was the chant you heard when Reform was getting going. To achieve that they will have to move so far to the centre that they will once again disinfranshise there core support, and a new protest party will rise in the west. 'Fraid so. When Reform approved eastern expansion, a friend of mine said something like "the party is risking it's soul." If the political ideology (for lack of a better term) in the west is incompatable with the majority of the country, then it is inevetable. What happened to the Tories? They were essentially a western party from 1962 to 1983; the presence of a strong red wing made their revival possible when Mulroney came along to bring in the Quebec nationalists. That rock solid core support turned into the best western representation in cabinet perhaps ever. But brokerage politics as practiced by Mulroney was perceived as inconsistent with how the west wants to do business. If your thesis is correct, then I see two possible outcomes. One is for the west to become more pragmatic, forget principle, and play the game. The other is to separate. Harper's point that separation would be an expensive distraction is well taken. OTOH, when our contribution to federal income is so disproportionate from our influence over policy, when the business of government is conducted consistently in a manner antithetical to our core values, does the cost of that distraction become warranted at some point? BTW, even I'm uncomfortable with Anders' antics. His stand on student job grants did make me stop and think, though.