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To: g.w. barnard who wrote (19430)	12/13/2000 8:55:01 AM
From: stockman17	Respond to of 26039

G.W., Nice initials. >>It is he who lost in more ways than one. We all lost. These votes should have been manually recounted. All of them. With a statewide standard. I have yet to hear any of "the majority" say that would not have been the proper solution. I only hear that there were technical problems with the way the recount was being performed (understandably so IMO given that there were so many trying to hinder that process instead of constructively figuring out how to do it correctly). Bush had the opportunity, several times, to get together with Gore figure out how to do this. It would have minimized the courts' involvement. Most importantly, it would have kept the Supreme Court out of it and therefore protected it and us from its partisanship. They are also big losers in this. The reputation of that court will be stained for decades, IMO unarguably so. I see the conservatives as being partisan, and presumably you see the liberals as such. One justice had particularly pointed, it seemed angry, remarks about the voters disenfranchised in this process.

To: g.w. barnard who wrote (19430)	12/13/2000 9:06:50 AM
From: David	Respond to of 26039

g.w. (that's not "George W.", is it?), you misunderstood my post if you think I'm saying Gore won the election. He apparently loses the election because time ran out on him as he was driving for the goal line. Or, to use another metaphor -- and we'll see a lot of them in the next few days -- he won all the battles (except for the one battle on 'how to count' that the Supreme Court majority reserved as a total abstraction) and lost the war. If I were Gore, my concession speech would be along these lines: "I congratulate Governor Bush on winning the Presidency in a hard fought campaign. He will be our next President and all Americans should support him and wish him well. I do. "I want to thank my supporters in this election and tell them, although the outcome went the other way, that we fought as hard as we possibly could for the principle that every vote should be counted, and we made progress for that important civil right. I expect that in future elections, as a result of what we did here this year, that more votes will be counted, more citizens enfranchised, and outcomes will be more representative than ever. "God bless America."

To: g.w. barnard who wrote (19430)	12/13/2000 10:29:33 AM
From: brad greene	Respond to of 26039

Pardon Clinton GW, I agree with everybody....I'm all hugs and kisses today. I agree with you. Every bit of wasted time and money following the second machine count must be the responsibility of the DNC. Over time, I believe there will much finger pointing within the Democratic party. They placed a huge bet by going down the "slippery slope"....and lost it all. There is a "teflon" attitude in the White House....it seems to not have rubbed off on Gore. I also agree with Marvin.....Bush should pardon Clinton. Heck.....commission a statue of him....put it in the middle of the reflecting pool. <g> It is no hair off of anyone's fanny......and for at least the first two years, Bush should do some token stuff for the Democrats. Picking a Democratic Senator to serve in his administration would be a great move. <g> The 2002 mid terms will be the big ones. With a strong Green Party....and the other divides within the Democratic party....the GOP has a good chance of picking up the seats they need to really move some agenda items in the out years of Bush's first term. This would be huge....the GOP would go after the Democratic base in these years by moving agenda items like inter-city enterprize zones....and school choice...and so on. It's really is a sneaky plan......Take power, then make life better for the people who make up the base of the opposing party. Sends chills through the DNC. bg