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Politics : Electoral College 2000 - Ahead of the Curve -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Sarkie who wrote (6088)	12/13/2000 11:05:00 AM
From: Bill	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 6710

Dumb quote. We know the winner and the real loser.

To: Sarkie who wrote (6088)	12/13/2000 1:08:01 PM
From: margie	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 6710

16 out of 18 votes in the United States Supreme Court have set aside the actions of the Florida Supreme Court, according to Carter Phillips. He's an attorney and constitutional expert who has successfully argued more than 30 cases before the USSC and just won his 32nd decision before the USSC two days ago. He was on MSNBC this morning. Of course they quickly changed the topic when he mentioned that and don't expect any of them to repeat that. Phillips said that Justice Stevens must have been tired and should have deleted that part. He also hopes Gore does not follow with that theme in his concession speech tonight. Does that say something about which judge's impartiality we should lose confidence? The judges in the Florida Supreme Court. We lose confidence when Judges like Stevens make those kind of divisive statements. He shows his anger. A judge should be impartial. If the nation was not being fed lies and extremely biased distortions of facts by the media, there would not be such discord. The USSC decision was 7-2; not 5-4. 7 out of 9 judges said that the recount ordered by the FSC violated constitutional laws; in terms of equal rights. 7 Supreme Court Judges said the recount ordered by the FSC was unconstitutional. Some votes counted more than other votes. Overvotes did not receive the same chance for their vote to be counted. That was not fair. Duh. They acknowledged that Miami Dade recovered many more so called undervotes because they used more liberal standards. This was not a question of having time run out. No court can set standards. Only the Florida Legislature via the Secretary of State gave that authority to set standards to canvassing boards. The courts can't change that now after this election for this election. Boise just said it is not accurate to say it is a 7-2 decision. Does he believe his own bs? Back to law school. MSNBC Ashley Banfield actually argued with RNC Chairman, saying how long will Republicans keep up the rhetoric, claiming the decision was 7-2 when it was really 5-4. Moron. Several minutes later she read from the teleprompter no doubt that was 7-2. She should write a gossip column. Justice Breyer seems to have the logic of Democrats; deadlines set by the legal authority don't matter. Justice Breyer and Al Gore are Good friends. He is the Justice who slipped in the last oral hearings, showing his blatant prejidice and partisanship when he shocked everyone by saying to Attorney Klock; <Whether we win or you win. "We" meaning Al Gore and I. " They don't care if the controlling legal authority -acknowledged in this decision by the USSC to be the THE FLORIDA LEGISLATURE. In turn they have vested that power in the Secretary of State - KATHERINE HARRIS. She alone has the authority to interpret if election laws have been followed. A circuit judge can see if there has been any violation of the discretion or any noncompliance. The Florida Supreme Court acknowledged that the Florida Legislature intended to seek the safe harbor provided by the US constitution to provide conclusivity by December 12th which would protect Florida's electoral votes from being challenged in Congress. But their own actions of illegally extending the proetest period made the contest period too short. We all are losers, as a result of the unconstitutional activity of lawless judges on the FSC and Democrats who try to incite and separate the classes. The FSC was asked to clarify and redo their first decision. They did not bother until after the USSC hearings when they heard themselves chastized. The USSC said their redo was not satisfactory in this decision.

To: Sarkie who wrote (6088)	12/13/2000 3:38:52 PM
From: Raymond Duray	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 6710

Hi Sarkie, Re: "....the identity of the loser is perfectly clear. It is the nation's confidence in the judge as an impartial guardian of the rule of law." I couldn't agree more. Here's someone else who concurs, Maureen Dowd on today's NY Times editorial page: nytimes.com December 13, 2000 LIBERTIES The Bloom Is Off the Robe By MAUREEN DOWD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- WASHINGTON CHIEF JUSTICE REHNQUIST. We'll hear argument now on No. 00- 949, President-Elect Bush and Vice President-Elect Cheney v. Albert Gore Jr. et al. JUSTICE SCALIA. Mr. Olson, the legal predicate that seems to have slipped your muddled mind is that recounts are only triggered if there's a problem with the machinery, not in the case of voter error. Come on, Ted, do I have to plead your case for Bush as well as hear it? JUSTICE O'CONNOR. Well, Mr. Boies, why can't those ninnies down in Florida simply follow the instructions for voting, for goodness' sakes? At the Chevy Chase Club, my friends have been asking me why people too stupid or slack to punch a hole through a piece of paper even deserve a vote. JUSTICE SCALIA. That's it, Sandy, baby. Suffrage, shmuffrage. CHIEF JUSTICE REHNQUIST. Mr. Boies, you fail to grasp the concept of equal protection for the conservative justices who want to retire. I'm 76. Sandy is 70. We started out long ago, working our hearts out for Barry Goldwater, and we're pooped. My back is killing me! But we can't leave until we install a Republican president. Al Gore would replace us with that hippy-dippy Mario Cuomo or that flower child Larry Tribe, or some minority who actually cares about the rights of the dispossessed. JUSTICE GINSBURG. Mr. Boies — may I call you David? — I love you. JUSTICE SCALIA. Ruthie, zip it. Mr. Boies, as you surely have noticed by now, I am the Big Brain here. So I will explain what should be res ipsa loquitor, not to mention a priori. We stopped the vote-counting because if we did not, Al Gore might have won. Then I would never have had a chance to be chief justice. I have put up with so much hokum. When they upheld Roe v. Wade. When they made all-male military academies admit women. I became bitter and marginalized. Never mind Al Gore's due process. What am I due in this process? MR. KLOCK. If I may, Justice Brandeis — JUSTICE SCALIA. I'm Scalia, dimwit. To continue, it may look hypocritical if the court's conservatives suppress the will of the people and install a states'-rights president by federal fiat. I know I have spent my career fighting against muscular assertions of judicial power. But now I see that judicial tyranny, judiciously used, can be a good thing. I don't believe in making laws from the bench. But making presidents? That's different. Hey, who ever said the Constitution is engraved in stone, anyhow? Text is important, but so is subtext. Why should I prop up a pathetic pol who vilified Clarence and me during his campaign? This court is riddled with conflicts of interest. Clarence's wife, Ginny, is over at the Heritage Foundation gathering conservatives' résumés for possible appointments in the new administration. My son is a partner at Ted Olson's law firm. Another son just got hired by another law firm working for Bush. But if I had recused myself, there would have been a tie. And then those radicals on the Florida Supreme Court could have been affirmed. And President Gore might have made Ruthie the chief. JUSTICE THOMAS (to himself). If this thing runs long, I'm going to miss "Trailer Park Nurses" and "Room Servicing" on the Spice channel. JUSTICE STEVENS. De novo, de- lightful, de-lovely. Why don't we just devise a standard to count all the votes? JUSTICE SOUTER. I know the Bushes are furious at me. That'll teach 'em to assume that a guy living like a monk in an isolated New Hampshire farmhouse is some kind of Live Free or Die nut. JUSTICE O'CONNOR. Mr. Boies, while we are on the subject of irreparable harm, are you aware that if I side with you, it could put in jeopardy the membership of my husband, John, in the Bohemian Grove? He does so enjoy his week of stag frolicking and drag shows in the California redwoods with President Bush, Cap Weinberger, Bill Buckley, David Rockefeller and Henry Kissinger. CHIEF JUSTICE REHNQUIST. We're dropping in the polls on the question of our fairness, but we still need to anoint Bush president. It's best for us. We'll just have to work harder to hide the truth: that we are driven by all the same petty human emotions as everybody else in this town — ambition, partisanship, political debts and revenge. MR. KLOCK. How true, Chief Justice Holmes.