To: Lane3 who wrote (8843 ) 12/13/2000 3:43:25 PM From: Hawkmoon Respond to of 10042 I didn't say manual recounts weren't permissible... But I do say that, unless fraud, manipulation, or mechanical malfunction (FMMM) can been verified, the FL Secretary of State has no obligation to delay certification of the statewide tallies. And since none of the above were credibly alleged by any party, then manual recount tallies provided after the date of certification should not be counted. After all, that's what manual recounts are for... when there is reasonable doubt about people who cast proper votes having their votes properly tabulated. Btw, if you recall, none of the 3 counties that Gore wanted recounted were close calls. He won them all by more than the .05% margin that mandates an automatic recount. It was only on a statewide basis that he lost and for him to "mine" the predominantly democratic counties, forcing them into recounts when there was no evidence of FMMM, and at great expense. And considering Palm Beach's record of denying requested manual recounts in local elections -the female republican who lost by 11 votes 3 months ago-, it is obvious that the canvassing board HAS DISCRETION in whether or not they grant a manual recount. And if they have the discretion to permit a manual recount, then they should have only permitted it according to the most recent written standards for such recounts, (ie: 1990 standards with no dimpled chads). And they should have thought about this before they started changing the standards on the fly and invoking legal challenges from the Bush camp over their arbitrary standards. Yes, the canvassing boards abused their discretions.. (the same discretion that wanted Harris to abuse) Regards, Ron