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Politics : Al Gore vs George Bush: the moderate's perspective -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?


To: Lane3 who wrote (8847)12/13/2000 3:31:19 PM
From: Hawkmoon  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 10042
 
As you know, I "undervoted"

That's what you think... I'm sure someone was able to discern that your clear intent was to vote for Bush.... :0)

Btw, that standard may be general stated, but the interpretation of it is not general. It states that there must be CLEAR INTENT of the voter..

For there to be CLEAR INTENT, there can be NO reasonable doubt, nor can someone divine that simply because they voted for the candidates of one party that this should automatically translate into a vote the presidential candidate of that party.

Thus, the only way to discern clear intent is to count the next best standard to a legal ballot, namely a perforated or hanging chad. IMO, that's the minimum standard that can be accepted and still meet the "clear intent" language.

Regards,

Ron



To: Lane3 who wrote (8847)12/13/2000 4:33:00 PM
From: Math Junkie  Respond to of 10042
 
"The legislature wrote a general standard, so general that it would inevitably lead to different interpretations, so obviously inevitable that one can reasonably conclude that must have been the legislative intent. The USSC says that the standard is whatever the legislature says it is. The counties inevitably proceed in varying ways within that general standard and the FLSC ratifies what the counties did. Let's review. The legislature has the authority to set the standard and it did. The counties followed the standard. The FLSC ratified what the counties did. Now how did the USSC conclude that the FLSC overstepped? If the USSC has heartburn over the vagueness of the standard, then they should fault the legislature for not providing a more specific one, not the FLSC for deferring to the path legally set by the legislature."

I think the way out of this difficulty is to recognize that even though they have said that the authority of the legislature is plenary, some authorities are more plenary than others. <G> In other words, can the equal protection clause trump Article II, Section 1? In their earlier ruling, they didn't say that the Florida Supreme Court couldn't modify what the Legislature did in any way. What they did say was that it probably could not be based on the Florida Constitution. Note also that they did not say that Article II was the only provision of the U.S. Constitution that applied. In fact, in the first case, they specifically stated that Federal law (3 U. S. C. §5) needed to be considered. So I think that one mistake that the majority in the Florida Supreme Court made was to be so cowed by the U.S. Court's earlier remand that they interpreted it to mean that they couldn't change what the legislature had done in any way, for any reason, and thus they overlooked or underestimated the applicability of Federal equal protection requirements.