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To: Juli who wrote (1989)12/15/2000 9:55:27 PM
From: Kona  Respond to of 4583
 
Juli, here is an update on the ruling.

Message 15031586



To: Juli who wrote (1989)12/16/2000 2:36:59 PM
From: Mephisto  Respond to of 4583
 
Last night PBS news reported that those felons or criminals who were allowed to vote were actually legal voters. They were minority voters who were disfranchised. Thousands could not vote. And the news commentator pointed out that 9 out of 10 votes would have gone for GORE. Yet, somehow these people were denied the right to vote. Their names mysteriously disappeared from the roster

I'd say the Florida election was rigged!

I believe at least six counties in Florida are under investigation for denying people the right to vote. Somehow thousands of people were deleted from the roster.

NAACP has marches going on. BIG PRESS COVER UP. Can't find any news about it.

William, over at the BIG K, says Jeb Bush, Bushy Jr., brother, pulls all the strings in Florida.

I thought this document was interesting:

The movement against "One Florida"
The fight against conservatives seeking to end Affirmative Action
Cuban American National Foundation supports One Florida


"One Florida" is Governor Jeb Bush's program to get rid of Affirmative Action in the state of Florida.
The NAACP and many others organized a large march against One Florida on 3/7/2000 in Tallahasse
and mustered between 25,000 to 80,000 participants, a very respectable showing for civil rights
marches, comparable to the numbers in historic marches. The country ignored it.

Jeb Bush's One Florida initiative, supported by right wing Cuban Americans, is said to be in response
to black California and Florida businessman Ward Connerly's drive to end Affirmative Action, known
as the "Florida Civil Rights Initiative," using typical right wing double speak. Connerly was behind the
California and Washington initiatives to end Affirmative Action and turned his attention to Florida in
1999, mounting a campaign which collected over $200,000 in that year. Observers estimate it will
cost a total of around $500,000 for a successful campaign to gather the nearly half a million signatures
required to get his Florida Civil Rights Initiative on the Florida ballot this year. The Bush brothers, Jeb
and George W., both oppose Connerly, fearing he will detract from their efforts to draw dissaffected
Democrats into their campaigns


Polls show Connerly's initiative would win if it got on the ballot, which seems likely as state contractors
are paying heavily to support it. The wording is key: 80% would support an initiative worded to end
discrimination in contracting and college admissions while only 40% would support one worded to end
Affirmative Action.

CANF watchers will be interested to note that the CANF (Cuban American National Foundation --
the Miami right wing group which has many ties to terrorists and drug smugglers) supports the end of
Affirmative Action in Florida, which is not suprising as they have a consistent record against civil rights
and against the advances of most any black group one can think of, from South Africa to Angola and
Miami, passing of course via Cuba, where these folks were responsible for massive suffering and
virulent racism prior to 1959 and where their policies and their manipulation of the US have created
untold suffering in the decades since. Their reception of Nelson Mandela in Miami was certainly
memorable as an insult.

Also interesting is the CANF's claim to represent all Latinos when announcing their support for Bush's
One Florida initiative.
There are many latinos who disagree! In fact, USA Today published the
demographics for Miami: under Hispanics, there were Cubans 780,000. Nicaragans 105,000. Puerto
Riquenos, 99,000. Columbians 75,000. Dominicans 35,000. Mexicans 32,000. Others 174,000. The
non Cubans number 520,000. We suspect that state-wide, there is a stronger showing by
non-Cubans.

Finally, we should note that the CANF is not alone in the Cuban American community in their support
for One Florida -- most of the major Cuban American media outlets in South Florida have also come
out against Affirmative Action.

afrocubaweb.com



To: Juli who wrote (1989)12/16/2000 9:35:50 PM
From: Hawkmoon  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 4583
 
Gore still got over 300,000 votes more than Bush.

So they say... but how many of those were valid votes? Take a look at what's coming down the pike, and will likely collapse any attempt to continue dogging GW over this election:


Congress to establish voter-fraud task force

Nationwide investigation will 'put
people in jail,' says top GOP leader

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By Kenneth R. Timmerman
© 2000 Western Journalism Center

House Speaker Dennis J. Hastert is putting together a task force to investigate allegations of voter fraud in the Nov. 7 election that will be nationwide in scope and will "put people in jail," according to a top member of the Republican leadership.

Hastert initially asked outgoing Judiciary Committee Chairman Henry Hyde, R-Ill, to chair the task force, but Hyde says he turned it down. Hyde is the leading candidate to become the new chairman of the House International Relations Committee, in front of two moderate Republicans, Jim Leach and Doug Bereuter.

Republicans will be looking at allegations of voter fraud from across the country, not just in Florida.

"In Madison, Wisconsin, we had homeless shelters with 20 beds where 200 people voted," said a top member of the leadership, who asked to remain unnamed for this report. "In Wisconsin, you can just show up at the polls on election day and vote without being registered by saying that you have just moved into the precinct. In some predominantly Democratic precincts in Texas, we had 125 percent of registered voters cast ballots."

The voter-fraud task force will also examine allegations that the Department of Defense shut down mail call for U.S. military vessels on overseas deployment two weeks before the election, to prevent absentee ballots from being delivered to U.S. Navy personnel or returned by them to their home districts.

Sam Wright, a retired U.S. Navy captain and lawyer who advocates a major overhaul of the military voting system, believes that 200,000 members of the military and their family get systematically disenfranchised.

"That's based on the survey that DoD does after every presidential election," said Wright. "I am now coming to believe that the 200,000 figure is a gross understatement. The DoD survey only shows what military members know."

Motor voters

And in Baltimore, Chicago and Los Angeles, allegations are surfacing of roving bands of voters who were taken in buses from precinct to precinct to vote in place of registered voters who had moved away or who had never voted before.

"We are relatively certain people were being taken from polling place to polling place and allowed to vote," said Republican national committeewoman from Maryland, Ellen Sauerbrey.


How can someone vote in place of another? Actually, it's fairly simple -- for the fraudulently inclined.

In many states, including Maryland, it is illegal to ask voters to present identification, on the pretext that would be construed as voter intimidation. Election officials in Maryland and in many other states are allowed to ascertain a voter's true identity by asking only for their name, address and date of birth.

"But in practice, there's no check whatsoever," Sauerbrey said. "The election judge will prompt you by asking if you live at such and such address, if you were born at such and such date. This makes it easier for one person to vote in the name of another, simply by mimicking the signature on the voter card."

Repeated attempts by Republicans in Maryland to pass legislation that would require voters to present identification at the polls have been blocked by the Democratic majority in the state's House of Delegates.

No citizenship checks

The motor voter rules (known officially as the National Voter Registration Act of 1993) went into effect in January 1995, and required states to allow anyone applying for a drivers license to register to vote at the same time.

The problem, admitted board of election officials in several Maryland counties, is that no proof of citizenship is required, thus inviting non-citizens to vote by fraud.

An elections-board official in Montgomery County, Md., who declined to be identified, acknowledged there was "no cross-checking" to see if people who registered to vote at the Motor Vehicle Agency are U.S. citizens. "We don't require them to present ID to vote."


When individuals register to vote at the Motor Vehicle Agency, they are required to sign a form stating they are U.S. citizens "under penalty of perjury." However, those forms are only delivered to the MVA in English, whereas many non-English speakers regularly apply for drivers licenses and, by extension, register to vote.

Spanish-language voter registration forms are sent out with state recruiters, who sign up new voters through a wide variety of state welfare agencies, the official added. She could not explain why Spanish-language voter registration forms would be needed for naturalized U.S. citizens, who are required to pass an English-language test as part of their naturalization examination.

Maryland has "no way to check" if non-citizens are voting, state supervisor of elections Linda Lamone said. "We approached the Immigration and Naturalization Service at one point and asked if we could collaborate on this, so people wouldn't get in trouble, but they said no."

About the only way the county or state board of election discovers that a non-citizen has made the voter rolls is when they are called for jury duty.

Montgomery County Jury Commissioner Nancy Galvin said her office sends out 10,000 to 12,000 questionnaires every other month to prospective jurors, asking whether they are U.S. citizens. Non-citizens are not allowed to sit on juries.

"We've had many of them returned asking to be excused from jury duty because they are not U.S. citizens," she said. However, she said her office "keeps no records" of these replies, and takes no further action. A spokesperson for Montgomery County State's Attorney Doug Gansler said it was "not an offense" to do jury duty as a non-citizen and that his office "has not prosecuted anyone for this" or for perjury on the motor voter forms.

In Prince George's County, a heavily Democratic county bordering Washington, D.C., election board official Harold Reston said the board reviews each case individually that is sent over by the jury commissioner.

"If we find that they registered by accident and never voted, we call the individual and ask them to request that they be removed from the voter rolls," he said. "But if they actually voted, we might forward the case to the state prosecutor."

Mike Mcdonough, an assistant to state prosecutor Stephen Montanarelli, said his office has had several hundred election-law cases since motor voter went into effect in January 1995, but had conducted no prosecutions over the past six or eight months.

"Prosecution is not the standard thing that happens in this sort of case," he said. "We try to dispose of it short of prosecution."

A silver lining

U.S. Rep. Bob Stump, R-Ariz., has twice introduced a bill to repeal motor voter in the U.S. Congress, only to have it vetoed by President Clinton. He recently vowed to reintroduce the legislation in the 107th Congress next year.

But not everyone believes that motor voter is all bad. Maryland Republican activist and statistician Henry C. Marshall has done a comprehensive analysis of new registrations in Maryland over the past five years and found that motor voter has actually reduced the Democrats' share from 61.2 percent of total voters to 57.1 percent.

Part of the shift has been a surge in new voters registering as Independents. But it has also resulted from cleansing the voter rolls of the estimated 17-20 percent of voters who leave the state every year. Under motor voter rules, the state board of elections may use change-of-address forms filed with the MVA to purge former residents from the rolls.

Marshall believes the biggest problem is not motor voter itself, but the failure to require new voters to provide proof of citizenship when they sign up to vote.

**********"In 1996, 11 percent of the people voting in Maryland were non-citizens," Marshall believes. Out of the 1,793,991 votes officially cast, that amounts to 197,339 illegal votes.************

While it's virtually impossible to verify such figures, they suggest the potential scope of the problem nationwide, especially in states with close elections.

The midnight coup

Ellen Sauerbrey became an unwilling expert on election fraud following her 1994 bid to become Maryland's governor, which she lost to Democrat Parris Glendening. All during election night as precincts reported in, Sauerbrey remained ahead. Then, close to midnight, results started pouring in from precincts in Baltimore City, giving Glendening a 5,993-vote victory. It was the closest race in Maryland in 70 years.

To this day, Sauerbrey and her running mate, former Howard County police chief Paul Rappaport, believe the election was stolen by Democratic party operatives who stuffed ballot boxes and altered voting machines after the polls were closed.

Sauerbrey's failed challenge of the 1994 election results dragged through the courts for more than six months, and her opponents accused her of being a sore loser.

Drake Ferguson, a private investigator who headed a volunteer group that helped document Sauerbrey's allegations of voter fraud, found that 75 percent of Baltimore City's 408 precincts had "severe flaws" in election-day records, including election cards that were either unsigned or had names different from the printed name on them.

The group also claimed that 5,832 more votes were tallied in Baltimore City than there were voters who checked in at precincts or cast absentee ballots -- mirroring Glendening's election margin almost exactly.
They found that keys to voting machines had been duplicated, and that some people had voted more than once. Sauerbrey even remembers investigators reporting back to her that they had traced the addresses listed by scores of Baltimore City voters to boarded-up houses and to vacant lots.


But Glendening's appointee to head the state board of elections, Linda Lamone, rejected Sauerbrey's allegations of fraud, noting that a Democratic trial court judge and the state attorney general, also a Democrat, had found they had "no merit."

Asked whether Maryland had a problem with voter fraud, Lamone said, "No, I do not think there is a problem."
worldnetdaily.com.