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Politics : PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: jlallen who wrote (117403)	12/18/2000 10:00:10 AM
From: Zoltan!	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769669

I agree. We will never know exactly how much AlGore lost by.

To: jlallen who wrote (117403)	12/18/2000 10:36:01 AM
From: Les H	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769669

If you take Gore's logic on the will of the people to the logical end, Bush would win since the total population of the counties in which Bush won exceeded the total population of the counties in which Gore won. The only thing that really counts is the clear and unequivocal will of the people. Idiots like Clinton and Gore think that 43% and 48% of the popular vote, or Gingrich with 54% of the House, indicate a clear, irreversible mandate.

To: jlallen who wrote (117403)	12/18/2000 10:36:41 AM
From: aknahow	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769669

The idea that millions of votes have not been counted is probably not 100% correct. In California there were millions of absentee votes. The Secretary of State has stated that these votes have been counted. But so far the results of the count have not been announced. He is a Republican and seemed very proffesional when giving his explanation on a talk radio program.

To: jlallen who wrote (117403)	12/18/2000 10:59:08 AM
From: John Lacelle	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769669

lallen, There is this guy who created this website called "votewithamerica.com" who posted all this personal information about Republican electorial college electors with the hope that people would "persuade" them to flip their vote and elect Gore. I wrote this guy an email and told him it was a type of racketeering and terrorism to post personal info on the internet with the hope that they would be intimidated by the 2am phone calls and death threats and so forth. This crybaby fowarded my email to the Maricoa Sheriff's Department. Great, I can't wait for a phone call from them. I tell ya, these Democrats are snivelers... -John

To: jlallen who wrote (117403)	12/18/2000 11:44:09 AM
From: HighTech	Respond to of 769669

We should replace the electoral college with the following: The candidate who wins the most counties across the nation wins the election. HT

To: jlallen who wrote (117403)	12/18/2000 8:56:29 PM
From: mst2000	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 769669

Funny, I have a close friend in California who tells me that all absentee ballots in that state HAVE been counted, and that this notion that 1,000,000+ absentee votes in California have not been counted is false. This BS that absentee ballots have not been counted nationwide is just false. If on the other hand you are arguing (as it appears you are) that there are 3 million undervotes in other states that have yet to be counted that might cut for Bush, consider this: First, not all states and localities use punch card ballots -- in fact, the vast majority of voting tabulation systems are not punch ballot machines. The undervote rate with punch ballots is 5-10 times as high than with other voting mechanisms. And the most accurate systems (optical scanners) are most prevalent in affluent (Republican) communities. That is a statistical fact. Second, and as a correllary of the last point, the use of punch ballots is much higher in less affluent, more heavily democratic, areas. That is, sadly, also a fact. Third, statistically, undervotes are likely to reflect the statistical split between the two candidates in those places where they occur -- as was the case in Broward and Palm Beach Counties, where Gore outpolled Bush by 3-2 or more. Nationwide, the split was 49.3% for Gore, 49.1% for Bush. The national undervotes are unlikely to split any worse than that for Gore (and given that undervotes are disproportionately found in precints with punch ballot technology, the split in counting undervotes nationally would likely favor Gore even more then the narrow margin he won by nationally). Lastly, and most importantly, the only reason Bush fought the manual recounts in Florida to the Supreme Court was because he knew that if they were completed, he would have lost. If you don't believe that, you are hopelessly brainwashed. No offense. I agree that some good may come out of this -- newer and better voting technology, etc. But that is no excuse for the scorched earth tactics that led to the second place finisher winning here. It is a cloud over the legitimacy of this Presidency, whether you like it or not. A nice place to start mending fences here would be for Bush and the GOP to acknowledge, without caveat, that Bush lost the national popular vote, and that as a result, he was not given a mandate of any kind. I do not ask that he renounce his political philosophy -- but to proceed successfully from here, he better do more to mend fences than just using pretty words.