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To: nasdaqian who wrote (57471)	12/20/2000 3:11:14 PM
From: Ish	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 71178

Our neighbors put in the buried wire type. They've got a lab and a pointer. Even though other dogs go in the yard and play with them I've never seen either out of the yard. During the nicer weather both dogs spent more time in the yard than in the house. I'm impressed how well it works.

To: nasdaqian who wrote (57471)	12/20/2000 3:33:39 PM
From: Shoot1st	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 71178

If you buy 2 transmitters, the wireless "circles" become slightly overlapping and you can double the area. I have the same problem....Ihave one neighbor that is not all that friendly....so I might have to get this system...and I'm on 6 acres so I want a good area for my dogs to run. Imagine 2 circles side by side...now move them till they overlap by about 25%.....this would be what your system would look like with 2 transmitters and the dog can pass through where the circles overlap. Shootie

To: nasdaqian who wrote (57471)	12/20/2000 3:36:07 PM
From: Crocodile	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 71178

I've used the Petsafe Remote Trainer to train dogs and it works well.. Range is 100 feet. It's more of a "reinforcement" training device... In other words, your dog should already have some basic obedience training and know that it should come back to you when you call it. I prefer this kind of system to the invisible fence because it teaches your dog to stay with you when you're out walking places... I take my dogs when I go into forests, so I want them well trained so that they don't go running off into the bush after birds or squirrels. To train the dog, you should call it back to you as soon as it runs out away from you...maybe when it gets around 20 feet away. Then you give it a chance to return to you . If it doesn't turn back, you hit the transmitter button that makes a "beep" tone... but no shock... which is meant to warn the dog. If it still won't return when you call, you give the dog a shock. While the collar has about 8 or 9 levels on it, I don't think most dogs would require more than the mildest shock as they don't like it at all. If you can borrow a collar and transmitter set, it is probably better than bothering to buy one because most dogs are pretty much trained after a few days and you won't need the collar anymore, unless you have a particularly headstrong dog.... I have collies and they learn just about everything exceedingly quickly, so I just need to give about 3 or 4 shocks and from then on, just the warning beep...and then no need for a collar at all after just a few hikes... I've seen this trainer work really well on most hunting dogs, but suspect that there are dogs that don't respond well to the collar and will run out of range before you can get them to turn back to you. If I had a dog like that, I would keep it on a long rope and start calling it back every time it got more than about 40 feet from me, and then warn it with the collar before it got much further away... and if the shock didn't turn it back, I'd be using the rope to turn it back while giving another shock... Probably a good form of extra insurance anyhow if you're working with your dog in an area where it could get away and get hurt such as in the city or near roads. BTW, there are collars that have much greater ranges... made particularly for hunting dogs, but they are expensive...up around $400-500.

To: nasdaqian who wrote (57471)	12/20/2000 4:18:39 PM
From: Ilaine	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 71178

We have an invisible fence for our Golden, and it works very well. However, a couple of times the wire has broken, and a couple of times the collar hasn't worked because a probe fell out, but she hasn't gone very far. She isn't very bright, so she will wander a little bit past the perimeter and then stop and look confused. If your dog has long fur, like she does, you have to use the long probes. We used an edger to make a little trench for the wire. Might have been better to bury it deeper.