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To: Robert Douglas who wrote (2631)12/20/2000 3:56:41 PM
From: Paul Berliner  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 3536
 
Hi Robert, and thanks for trying to spark this beloved thread.

I agree - I think new car sales are a key barometer for the health of the economy and they are falling off of a cliff of late. We are completing a perfect boom/bust cycle straight out of a textbook.

Cummins Engine was forecast just a week ago to earn $4.00/share next year and now they are forecasting a loss of .50 and curtailing production.

I look back and laugh at the fools who argued less than a year ago that the business cycle as we knew it had ceased to exist thanks to the 'new global economy.' Har Har Hardee Har Har.

Hard lesson!



To: Robert Douglas who wrote (2631)12/20/2000 5:09:33 PM
From: X Y Zebra  Respond to of 3536
 
Thanks for push starting this thread.

My observations of the way the stock market has been behaving plus what I have seen in the past when real estate prices reach certain levels... some sort of recession follows.

I have taken steps that would shield me from a recession where it pertains to real estate (industrial stuff). If this is the case... and please note emphasis on the IF... This will be the second time around that I have been able to dodge a potential bullet.

The first time, there were no "evident" sign of such event, at least not in the area where it was relevant for me. This time around, as we speak, even new construction seems to be coming on line, and vacancy rates are low. What is different in this instance is that the amount of regulation to overcome a "permit process" is longer than before (now 18 to 24 months) before new construction becomes ready for occupancy. This in a way may be somehow protective of existing space given that to reach "excess of available space" takes longer time. Unless of course, the coming slow down is nastier than expected.

The fact that MSFT has taken steps to cut costs is telling.

We shall see in the coming months how this, for now, potential recession turns out to be. One thing I am liking already is that lower interest rates are coming. For those with cash and little or no debt, some interesting deals could be in the horizon.



To: Robert Douglas who wrote (2631)12/20/2000 5:34:48 PM
From: Henry Volquardsen  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 3536
 
agreed. the economy is weakening. and much more rapidly than many expected.

the following is a post I saw elsewhere with some additional interesting data:
Steel production fell sharply last week to new 2-year lows and near the lowest levels since the last recession, suggesting decisive weakening in the manufacturing sector and sharpening weakness in the overall economy.Last week, steel production fell a whopping 7.6% to 1.759 million short tons from 1.903 million the previous week. That's well below the peak of 2.379 million tons sent in April and the lowest since November 1998. Capacity utilization now stands at just 70.3%, the lowest since July 1991, just 4 months after the end of the last recession. Capacity utilization is now significantly below the peak of 95.9% set in the week ended April 3rd. The soft steel data coincides with the recent build in inventories, a factor that has weakened manufacturing orders. Auto inventories have risen as sales have slowed from the extraordinary pace seen earlier in the year. Indeed, auto manufacturers have announced numerous plant closings in response to bloated inventories and this has prompted layoffs that have recently pushed weekly jobless claims close to a 2-year high. Moreover, a month ago, U.S. Steel announced that they will pare production and that the shutdown might result in "substantial layoffs." The recent weakness in steel production has coincided with the the biggest 2-month drop in manufacturing employment since the last recession in August and September, and four straight months wherein the NAPM index has been below the critical 50 mark, indicating a contraction in the manufacturing sector. The continued weakness in steel production is a clear sign that the economy continues to head downward with no end in sight. Since Greenspan is known to be a close follower of steel production figures, this new data should heighten Greenspan's concern about a slowing U.S. economy.

regarding the drop in the dollar. I suspect, as you do, that we will see some weakness against the Euro. My only question is the matter of degree. Much of the world has been living off of exports to the hyper-ventilating US economy. This is likely to slow rapidly. The biggest effects will be in Asia but ot will hit Europe as well. Also the French block will be strong advocates for restraining Euro strength in the face of weakening global trade. That and my generally low opinion of Eurocrats make me wary of significant Euro strength.