To: rudedog who wrote (54608 ) 12/20/2000 10:10:51 PM From: Dan Spillane Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 74651 Pretty simple the way to work around this: 1) Advertise the position. Have lower wages than competition in the first place (as Microsoft does). 2) Interview Americans, but find something wrong with them (easy to do...gives the "waiting time"). 3) Then claim you need a foreign worker, so find one! Hire them, since "you couldn't find another qualified employee" As for the other comment about if "during a Microsoft interview, if one person finds something wrong with you, you are done for"--this seems to be starkly unsupportive of the "worker shortage" claim! Is it easy to find one thing wrong with everyone, especially if they are American?!? Indeed, since only a few percent of interviewees are hired, it would seem a lot of Microsoft interviewing is done to justify the claim of "worker shortage" (and in turn, the need for more visas) rather than for hiring! Huh? As an investor, I guess I am happy they have cheap labor. As a computer guy, I am sad to see my foreign friend work for low wages, and worry about a flood of cheap labor during a slowdown. So give the Americans the jobs first, and ship the foreigners back (esp. rude ones). Yes, give jobs to folks including people like me. Let's just face it, foreign workers make dedicated, inexpensive employees, and Microsoft knows how to exploit this just like it does other games. Re: Dan - you're pretty far off base here. The H1B requires the position to have been advertised for a specific period before the foreign visa can be approved. Anyone who can show that the position was offered at less than a "competitve wage" can take action against the company hiring the H1B employee. There may be a little wiggle room but not much. I have done some H1B hiring and I had to document the similar positions both in the company and in the industry at the proposed wage, and if anyone who did not require a visa applied for the position, we could not get the visa approved, no matter how well qualified the visa applicant was, or how poorly qualified the non-visa applicant was. Comparing a visa program to illegal hiring of undocumented migrant workers is pretty silly too.