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To: Ahda who wrote (62154)	12/22/2000 8:44:04 PM
From: d:oug	Respond to of 116906

... on your plastic card, as i don't think i could run that one through on mine. Darleen, Your above comment was done in jest, but i wonder if you have any knowledge about those bankruptcy laws that cover not businesses but just persons as in a household where the man and woman with a regular job and regular house and a couple kids in highschool find themselves on the other end of what was posted recently on this thread of a link to another thread. (follows) From: michael finsterwald Friday, December 22, 2000 [start] An emergency rate cut won't be a good thing. People still don't get it. We have banks in trouble and the fed is going to have to start bailing out some of the idiots that loaned 15 credit cards to every living being..... [end] My discussions with people caught in the above nighmare has reveal that smorgasbord of activity lacking of those who post on this and other SI threads who meet the world head on and realize that there is no free lunch and if something sounds too good to be true, then it ain't, and when we do get suckered into something like a con or take bad advice we will react with anger and try and fight back, but deep down we know that "we knew better" and grudgingly accept the responsibility while keeping a careful eye out hoping to extract revenge and maybe also find a ladder to climb outta the hole we fell in caused by our own movements based on trusting another and that slick feeling that we are too smart to fail or get trapped by things we are "experts" on. Most trapped in that credit card debt are not of the SI awareness type and are clueless on how and why such a great forever healthy expanding wealth effect usa economy can stop and do a U turn. In the past when banks obtain great loses with those bad loans to other nations like Mexico and Russia the Feb bailed them out at taxpayer expense using the threat that a world order collapse would happen if not done, which would hurt the taxpayers more. That to me was garbage, but what if this time the reasons given for a POSSIBLE HUGE bank crises is that the banks pumped out too many credit cards in the ways mentioned here? Might public opinion not let the Fed save the banks since they acted in a "in spirit" criminal manner? Seems that banks could get a bad repretation as not being for the good of society and thusly lead to a massive overhall using government laws and regulations. The folks i talk to in a credit debt trap are angry and hoping that the bank(s) they own those monthly very high interest rates to will fail and disappear so that when they mail in a monthly statement they will get back that letter and unchashed check from the post office saying that "No one at this address - outta business." Guess i'm wondering how this credit card debt can be forgiven without the standard using taxpayer money to pay them off. If not and its busineess as usual, then credit card holders will be put into bankruptcy and lose whatever ability to remain cunsumers and only buy needed things like medical, food, bullets, beer and transpertation. No more new goods like cars and TVs and eating out. I forget, stagflation is when people stop buying causing the demand to go down and supply remains high but prices also remain high rather than fall. Feeds on itself, folks lose jobs, buy less etc. Maybe if this credit card debt is as large and unstable as some of us think or hear, then this could be the straw that may break the back of the usa economy. I'm not really "out there" as i do cash on the barrel and do not look at prices closely except for ice cream. d:o)g

To: Ahda who wrote (62154)	12/24/2000 8:19:40 AM
From: d:oug	Respond to of 116906

A conspiracy to remove golden canary inside of fiat coal mine. ... the enormous growth of fiat currencies and credit we witness today is without precedent, the paper hangers are worried. They realize that they have gone too far, created many orders of magnitude too much worthless paper. ... in so deep that they have formed a conspiracy to put a bullet through the golden canary in the fiat coal mine. Darleen, The above from the gata egroups.com I just posted. "Cry Havoc! and let slip the dogs of war!" By Adam Hamilton December 22, 2000 egroups.com The end of this article makes a case for shareholders of gold mining companies to deliver to management the following message of a possible "what if." "Let them know that there are legions of shareholder lawsuits ready to be born and quickly activated to full maturity if the Howe/GATA legal action results with a finding that the gold conspiracy really existed, and during this time the mining managers failed to investigate public warning by GATA and their own shareholders so that if need be appropriate action to protect shareholder's value would occur." ... if you own shares in gold mining companies, turn up the heat on management to support GATA. ... demand that they immediately investigate GATA's claims thoroughly and support GATA. If they refuse, demand that they return to you the detailed reasons for their refusal in writing, signed, and sent via registered mail for future legal reference. Tell them that you, their bosses, will not tolerate inaction while your share price dwindles into oblivion. Let them know that there are legions of gold shareholder lawsuits waiting in the wings when it becomes more widely known that Howe was right and the conspiracy really exists and the mining managers failed to act. If the public relations people provide unsatisfactory answers, bypass them and get in touch with top management, either by yourself or through your attorney. Let the gold company managers know that the company's OWNERS will give no quarter to those who are too weak to make a stand. A comment by Samuel Adams in 1776 is applicable to gold mining company managers in this situation: "If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen." As a gold investor... Make yourself heard! Finally, general knowledge of the lawsuit is very important. Write to the news media and your elected representatives, tell your professional colleagues, and spread the word as far and wide as you can... ... friends of gold, our time is now. Gold is ready to burst from its shackles, and we will help it along. It is high time for the conspirators to reap the whirlwind they have sown. Cry Havoc! and let slip the dogs of war! Adam Hamilton December 22, 2000