To: CVJ who wrote (87554 ) 12/26/2000 12:22:31 PM From: Walkingshadow Respond to of 132070 cjac,<< ....the basic tension between self-interest & altruism is derived from one's perception. ...Any particular behavior is the result of a mixture of both attributes >> Sorry to take your remarks out of context like that. But I guess my only point is really just a belief of which I am convinced: that 'basic tension' is a result of being human, every human has it, did not place it there, cannot and should not even try to rid himself/herself of it, and is hopelessly ill-equipped to resolve it in a favorable way. Yet---and this to me is the very essence of the human dilemma---must constantly find some resolution of that tension to survive, and live together with others in the same dilemma, and not destroy or be destroyed by it, and contribute, and give, and grow. That resolution, in my belief, is largely unconscious and inadvertent, and if it occurs, typically does so in spite of our perceptions and actions therefrom. Those more religious than I might call it salvation. It is something we desperately and continuously need, yet cannot produce. But I am not a pessimist. The other side of the coin to this fundamental human dilemma is a wonder: resolution can and does occurs---though often, and unexpectedly it doesn't as well---and we move on. This, the more religious might approximate with the term grace, or occasionally miracle, and the flip side perhaps sin . And I wouldn't take issue. I have no reason to think that unexplainable, irrational, wonderful phenomenon which has---but also, inexplicably, has not--- occurred throughout our stay on this planet will cease. And this, I suppose, the more religious might term blind faith, to which I would only ask: is there any other kind? When Jesus was in the Garden of Gethsemane, contemplating and agonizing over what was to befall him, and filled with conflicting thoughts and ideas and emotions, he had this to say, in prayer: Forgive them, Father, for they know not what they do. I don't think he was referring only to his persecutors, but to you and I, our condition, our dilemma. Or, as my father put it: You can think anything you like, but that doesn't change anything. We are moles, blind and burrowing, yet we imagine our vision to be 20/20. I used to wonder why he'd tell me that.......... but I don't wonder that any more <ggggggg>. Regards, Walkingshadow