To: Frank A. Coluccio who wrote (1588 ) 12/27/2000 12:16:27 AM From: Raymond Duray Respond to of 46821 Hi Frank, I've seen first hand some of the absolute mess that was created in San Francisco by the non-demolition of abandoned telco plant. I had a client in the design center there who had the misfortune of having a wiring closet on premises in the leasehold that held 4 generations of wire and terminations, most of which were abandoned. But since each iteration was still in some degree of use, we couldn't eliminate one bit of it. Unsightly cables were slung under ceilings and I would have loved to eliminate one run of about 200 pairs in one of my remodelings. But I couldn't because there were still 3 or 4 live pair. Grrr. I think that you make a really valid point about dial tone and especially about life line service. These are areas where clearly the public interest outweights the interests of market participants. That's why I tried to limit my example (stock gambling and horoscopes) to such trivial pursuits. Someday, though, I realize, someone somewhere is going to get themselves lost in a blizzard or trapped in the South Bronx and need to rely on that Handspring/Blackberry/Ipaq....whatever to make a 911 call. And then we'll decide that this too is critical infrastructure. Eventually, entire districts of Manhattan slowly succumbed to the crippling effects of this major screw up, and as a result a number of small businesses actually went under, or were forced to relocate, on the spot. Like I said, it wasn't pretty. Something similar is about to happen in California. For example, a company called Castaic Brick in the L.A. basin is today paying about $300,000 per month for natural gas to fire its kilns. Last year, that figure would have been more like $30,000/mo. Its really a simple Econ 101 situation. They will soon be laying off hundreds of workers, IMHO. To gain an appreciation of what this meant, try not using the Internet for a day if you are in ecommerce. Point well taken. That is why Cummins Engine has a 12 month back order on gensets today. And these puppies are about $2MM a throw for a 25KW set, if I recall correctly. Selling like hotcakes at a Kiwanis breakfast to all the ecommerce guys. Gotta have 'em, cain't live without 'em. Talk about living in the age of anxiety........ -Ray