To: epicure who wrote (57839 ) 12/28/2000 9:21:25 PM From: JF Quinnelly Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 71178 Snippy, snippy, snippy. You're the one claiming that silence on giving gifts in Colonial America "proves" your contention that gifts weren't given. I merely point out that an argument from silence is a logical fallacy.The Victorian Christmas was of social importance- and much was written in both fiction and non-fiction concerning it. Read the literature of the Colonial times, read BEN FRANKLIN- entirely mute on Christmas. We have original works from this time. I would recommend you read a few of the diaries of the time, original sources put into print- with copies of the originals in the books I'll use your own source again:For instance, Philip Vickers Fithian's December 18, 1773, diary entry about exciting holiday events mentions: "the Balls, the Fox-hunts, the fine entertainments. . ." Looks like your historian found Colonials doing a lot of celebrating around Christmas. And she had this to say:Williamsburg shopkeepers of the eighteenth century placed ads noting items appropriate as holiday gifts, but New Year's was as likely a time as December 25 for bestowing gifts. Cash tips, little books, and sweets in small quantities were given by masters or parents to dependents, whether slaves, servants, apprentices, or children. It seems to have worked in only one direction: children and others did not give gifts to their superiors. Maybe they just didn't know why they were giving gifts. The cash economy was less of a factor in Colonial times than today, so shopkeepers' ads would take no account of what Colonials made themselves. Seems to me your argument ought to be refined to "Colonials didn't buy tons of Christmas presents at a time before the rise of mass merchandising."