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To: SecularBull who wrote (119742)	12/27/2000 5:25:49 PM
From: Johannes Pilch	Respond to of 769670

Well the facts are all before you. You may claim it was all about economic and political power, and that it had little to do with the morality of slavery, but the facts do not support this view. The facts support the view that it was about economy, society and morality. Economic From: Sterling Cockrill, planter from Courtland, AL, 18 Sept. 1865 We have much to say in vindication of our conduct, but this we must leave to history. The bloody conflict between brothers, is closed, and we 'come to bury Caesar, not to praise him.' The South had $2,000,000,000 invested in Slaves. It was very natural, that they should desire to protect, and not lose this amount of [slave] property. Their action in this effort, resulted in War. There was no desire to dissolve the Union, but to protect this [slave] property. The issue was made and it is decided. Social The condition of slavery with us is, in a word, Mr. President, nothing but the form of civil government instituted for a class of people not fit to govern themselves. It is exactly what in every State exists in some form or other. It is just that kind of control which is extended in every northern State over its convicts, its lunatics, its minors, its apprentices. It is but a form of civil government for those who by their nature are not fit to govern themselves. (Jeff Davis, Confederate President) Moral [The Confederacy's] foundations are laid, its cornerstone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery . . . is his natural and normal condition. [Alexander Stephens, Vice-President of the Confederacy: Augusta, Georgia, Daily Constitutionalist, March 30, 1861.] These issues are all linked to one thing - SLAVERY.

To: SecularBull who wrote (119742)	12/27/2000 8:40:06 PM
From: kvkkc1	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769670

Well as long as you're all on the moral kick, why stop with the US slavery question? What about the African chiefs who sold their people to the slave traders? It seems all parties are at fault here. Actually, looking at the African continent today, the slaves probably had it better than those left behind.knc

To: SecularBull who wrote (119742)	12/27/2000 9:01:53 PM
From: WTSherman	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769670

<Yet, it's easy to look at something that had been going on since the beginning of civilization up until 140 years ago in this country, and say that it was wrong in hindsight. < Truly an easy copout!! You seem to imagine that it didn't strike anybody at the time that there was something wrong with slavery. There was lots of moral opposition from the very beginning and lots of suppressed truth. Both Washington and Jefferson manumitted their slaves after their deaths. Think they didn't know it was wrong? You can argue this all day, but, its a losing argument. What happened was that an economic system was built on slavery and the benefits that it gave 5% of the southern population were too great to be given up by most of them. So, they invented justifications and rationalizations for what they were doing to ease their very guilty minds. BTW, the new AG thinks that Jeff Davis was a patriot. What a sick view of history. I can buy that RE LEE and a few others were motivated by a sense of duty to home, friends, family. But, Jeff Davis was a leader in the secession movement, tratorously sent munitions to southern states while Secretary of War(of the US) so that they would have the needed resources to launch their ill advised plan, while the whole time justifying slavery to make his lifestyle OK. The man was as low a form of life as one could find and if Hell really exists he is surely resident there now...