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To: Rajala who wrote (90879)	12/28/2000 12:39:27 PM
From: marginmike	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 152472

Hey smart boy, do a pattent search, and see whom and whom dont have WCDMA patents. You are by far the biggest dimwit I have met on SI. Good luck you will need it.

To: Rajala who wrote (90879)	12/28/2000 12:48:21 PM
From: carranza2	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 152472

Hey, cosmopolite, citizen of the world, smartest guy around, lover of tattoo'd women and shaved legs, answer one question: Why does Nokia take the position that the original CDMA license it obtained from Q is sufficient for WCDMA? Nokia is obviously willing to pay the Q for its essential WCDMA IPR, but the Q says "Thanks, but the royalties are higher for 3G." All that's left to fret about is how much Nokia is going to pay the Q for 3G. The money is in the bag. Except for the fact that it will be a lot of cash because the 3G license will be more expensive than the CDMA One license, the only thing we don't know how is exactly how much Nokia is going to fork over. In other words, herring-breath, Nokia knows and admits that it's hooked (says so on its web site) but wants to negotiate for a better deal. Your post is as senselessly bizarre as your reasoning.

To: Rajala who wrote (90879)	12/28/2000 8:15:25 PM
From: Getch	Respond to of 152472

Just wanted to point out that Raj actually got a point of fact correct. Of course, his reasoning with that information was off, but thought we should recognize the one accurate thought of the day. Q is not the only one with IPR claims to WCDMA. Others have many as well, some experts view E´s portfolio strongest. Qualcomm has repeated stated that they were asked to participate in a patent pool of W-CDMA IPR, and refused. At last count over 25 other companies have stated IPR interest in W-CDMA. Attempting to inseminate the elephant, as Gilder colorfully put it. Qualcomm has essential patents for W-CDMA which can not be avoided, for this they will be paid royalties as set forth in their contracts with Q. All of the other companies are trying to work out an arrangement to pool the additional patents. Qualcomm needs access to these additional patents, which is the reason for the spin-off of the chip division. The chip division (Spinco) will be given enough vital patents for W-CDMA that it must be included in the patent pool. W-CDMA will have total royalties far in excess of CDMA 2000 due to the additional IPR claimants that must be paid after Qualcomm. Spinco is in the pool. Qualcomm is the lifeguard watching the pool. Raj, any chance you could share with us the names of the experts who have this view of Ericsson's patent position? Didn't think so.