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To: Mr. Whist who wrote (120025)	12/29/2000 2:53:58 PM
From: Lazarus_Long	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769668

You evaded the question: Have the number of special education kids increased sufficiently to explain the fall in the performance of the US education system? I think you know the answer; that's why you want to evade. And I do know what special education is about. One of the points that I have made frequently on this board is that Republicans and conservative elitists frequently point to private schools as examples of learning and erudition, citing test scores, etc. One thing liberals are good at is making excuses. Performnce is what's needed. They're not good at that, though. That, no doubt, is one reason why statewide school voucher initiatives failed 70-30 in both Michigan and California on Nov. 7. You think maybe the misleading, basically fraudulent ads from the educational bureaucracy might have had something to do with it? And the megabucks they put behind them? They had no better place to put their money; their jobs were history if they lost this one. And do you expect the illiterate idiots they've been turning out for years to see through their fog and smoke they generated? California did vote fot Gore, you know.

To: Mr. Whist who wrote (120025)	12/29/2000 5:20:39 PM
From: Thomas A Watson	Respond to of 769668

Dear flapjack, I read you post dising Mr. McGowan. Having read this many of Jame's previous eloquent posts I'd observe that your little idealistic world has little knowledge of what special education means when it run by the technically astute democrat socialist center centrally planned Washington DC. I know it is difficult for you, but try to step out of the little lock box of the idealistic vacant liberal concept of special education as you believe it to be, the 20% and see what absurdity it has become, the 80%. Tom Watson tosiwmee

To: Mr. Whist who wrote (120025)	12/29/2000 11:05:13 PM
From: ManyMoose	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 769668

Flap, I learned to be a supporter of the public school system from my parents, both of whom were active in PTA and such when I was a subteeny bopper. The public school system should be the best we can get. Right now it supports too many irrelevant causes for sake of political correctness. An example: My daughter complained that one of her fellow teachers was teaching kids that there were right angles and left angles. This same 'teacher' taught physical education from a chair because she couldn't stand up long enough otherwise. Put bluntly, she was incompetent but the system would do nothing about it. My daughter's little hispanic kids had been taught by their parents to revere their teachers--and they did. After a two year absence, she was treated like a celebrity during a visit. The white kids and some other groups had no such ethic, but they loved her anyway. The system couldn't make space to hire her back because of the deadwood they were carrying. That's the problem I think George W. Bush will fix. Schools will have to hire good teachers or they won't be able to survive because their kids will be moving to schools where the good teachers are highly valued.

To: Mr. Whist who wrote (120025)	12/31/2000 9:25:08 PM
From: D. Long	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769668

"One of the points that I have made frequently on this board is that Republicans and conservative elitists frequently point to private schools as examples of learning and erudition, citing test scores, etc. It really isn't too hard to achieve desired results when one can pick and choose students, and leave the "undesireables" to the public school system" Then explain the Harlem store-front schools, until New York State shut them down, which resulted in dramatic test score improvements. These children were, by all accounts, undesirables prior to their attendence at privately funded and operated "schools." Tell me, who funded and operated the nation's schools prior to their "Dewey-ization?" Derek