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To: pater tenebrarum who wrote (52504)	12/29/2000 8:10:34 PM
From: NucTrader	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 436258

Can we have the rally into Jan. 9th, Heinz, PUUUULLEEAAAASE!!!!!???? (Yes, I went long at the close today in some creamed mo-mos) Sort of like this guy's diagramed... trendpulse.com

To: pater tenebrarum who wrote (52504)	12/29/2000 11:05:32 PM
From: timers	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 436258

when do you see the cycle lows and what basis do you use to determine it? the lunar cycles are quite interesting. is it based on that?

To: pater tenebrarum who wrote (52504)	12/30/2000 12:02:29 PM
From: Lucretius	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 436258

i find it curiously interesting that a 30% lock-limit decline in the dow was set on friday at 3235 for the coming qtr, which magically carries us back to the 1998 low... HO HO.. got LLCF on tuesday? LOL it'll never happen.... but would be funny to say the least...

To: pater tenebrarum who wrote (52504)	12/30/2000 9:15:01 PM
From: yard_man	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 436258

Interested in your take on a couple of items here (I'm not that savvy as to what the Fed is trying to do as you can tell): gold-eagle.com obviously the idea of pointing to stock prices and tryinig to discern future strength or weakness in the economy is fallacious (except perhaps in the case of a market crash)-- but what about his point regarding what the Fed does -- i.e. targeting short-term rates and the increased liquidity that has been necessary to do that over the last few months => demand for money is high => short term rates would be higher still if the Fed didn't take this approach? No doubt, he is correct that the Fed has kept rates artificially low for a long period -- but in general, what is the effect on longer rates when the Fed targets these short-term rates ... What argument do they use to target the FFR and not some other rate (i.e. longer rates)? And what convinces them that they know what that rate should be (is it mostly GDP or what)? Seems to me their targetting of such short term rates is liken unto fine-tuning a nuclear reaction -- i.e. they are very likely to miss the big picture. Even if interest rates are the target, there has to be some larger goal -- not just overall "price stability," right?

To: pater tenebrarum who wrote (52504)	12/31/2000 10:39:53 AM
From: sam_o	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 436258

Hienz: I read with fasination your full moon thoughts. Yes.. markets appear to make rash moves during this monthly thing. So does my wife!! What I do not quite grasp is your comment and of related 'cycle lows'? What is cycling? How exactly do you derive a 'Cycle low' period. Is that an EW thing? Or? Would you explain to me how cycle lows,and highs, are generated, and how would I follow them to maximize my investments. Do you add or subtract options, or what ?? Your comments would be greatly appreciated if you'd be so kind. Thanks Sam O

To: pater tenebrarum who wrote (52504)	1/1/2001 3:55:41 PM
From: James F. Hopkins	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 436258

Heinz; I was doing a search on Moons when I found your post. I have been convinced that a Full Moon / New Moon has some effect on how people trade . superforce.com seems to say it's due to more/less ions , however they base their ion predictions on Full/New Moon ------------ While it may be due to ion change , if the ion change is due to the stages of the moon I want to calculate my own. What I don't like about superforce.com is all their self congratulatory hype about gains made with their system. 1 they use "leverage" two ways to enhance the results against a flat trade.. ( tahts far from apples to apples ) 2 they assume trades were made at the best price of the day.. ( not anyone is going to get taht good ) ----------- 1 I will do a back test not leveraged, but flat ( but this is going to take some time ) 2 I will look at both best and worst case trades made within the same time windows. (To obtain a mean average) 3 I will go beyond just Full/New Moon stages and see if the Perigee / Apogee of the Moon related to the stages alters the results. ( The P/A sure has a strong effect on tidal differences with the strongest tidal effects when the Perigee happens on a New Moon.) ------------ If this is an ion effect the opposing effect of a New Moon on Perigee would be a Full Moon on Apogee. If it's just tidal or gravitation all we need to do is compare times of Maximum Spring Tides, to the Minimum Neep Tides & any good tide book can give me that without my having to calculate the Moon Stages. ---------- If I do come up with some consistent results that show profits can be made "position trading" within a time window under the worst case of interday buy/sells then we are home free. If you or any one else wants to look at moon stages over time here is a calculator that does the Full/New & Perigee/Apogee times past and forward over years. It is also down loadable to you hard drive and will calculate off line ( if you have JavaScript enabled;) fourmilab.to ------------- This idea is not base on Astrology, of which I have no faith in. I'm convinced the Moon effect is based on its tidal effects, or perhaps changes it makes to ion concentration however which ever one; there is more than enough evidence that there is a wide spread high/low emotional effect on people that coincides with the stages of the Moon. ------------- I will add that superforce is saying that the best times for people ( good moods etc ) are the worst times for markets & Taht makes sense to me. As markets do seem to dive just about when every one gets goo goo happy.<G> Jim