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To: Zardoz who wrote (62331)12/29/2000 11:35:22 PM
From: d:oug  Respond to of 116752
 
Hutch,

Are you short physical gold or have another agenda needing
a price of gold between $270 - $290 or "lower the better"
so that your profession in the paper instruments of derivatives
that have nothing connected to reality except the amount of time
that the public that buys into these can be keep from learning
that its a con job of extreme magnitude.

For sure its accepted by you that if Bill Murphy is able to jump-start
a short covering in physical gold, then it will have a domino effect
to push over one of those house of cards.

I agree, gold manipulation to keep it price between $270 - $290
can be viewed in a BirdTurd manner and let the ones with the best
capitalistic tools & means & connections win.

Fine, and thats what GATA is doing, a countering with their manipulation
of the gold manipulation they see as evil and corrupt.

Seems like the logic of TheBird that all manipulation is correct
flys into a window not seened by TheBird when he bashes GATA's
efforts to manipulate the manipulations.

Bottom line Hutch, two of them, from i to u.

1. Word is that the Howe/GATA Complaint is sound,
and until you can itemize it and show its not,
then your talking is targeted to something you know not.

2. But in truth your worry is not the price of gold per se
but that if GATA causes a huge short position to get caught,
and here I'm willing to say that it was done all legal and even
you can add moral, but if they get caught because GATA causes
someone or thing to buy or have delivered physical gold in an amount
to cause a panic, then yes this could push over a card of the
house of cards if some banks or investment houses go belly up
and fear and worry enter into the picture like a bubble made not
of real concerns, but imaginary.

Sure, GATA may cause a panic to occur and cause doom & gloom
to take hold and cause for example your profession to get caught
in the cross fire and get damaged.

Sure, and if so then you is out of your very good job.

Like I once said, "... flipping burgers, if your lucky."

My position is that GATA is on the money, a.k.a. correct
and the battle between good v evil needs a GATA effect
so that evil can be crushed allowing good to rule.

But yes, to crush evil means to crush most all else,
but its the only way. To remove cancer one has to
allow good stuff next to it to also be destroyed just
simply because its too close or connected.

Yes Hutch, GATA may destroy your derivative job
and to me its not an issue if your job was innocent
or guilty, its too close to evil.

Once again, to me you are a good and honest person
even if you do the work of evil because the pay and
esteem is too good for you to not take advantage of it.

Weakness inside good persons is reality.

doug



To: Zardoz who wrote (62331)12/30/2000 8:51:35 AM
From: The Street  Respond to of 116752
 
GOLD AND DEFLATION

In July of 1927, Ogden Mills, the U.S. Secretary of the
Treasury organized a remarkable meeting at his home on Long
Island. He had invited the most powerful money men of his
era - the central bankers of England, France, the U.S. and
Germany.

Present were Benjamin Strong of the Fed, Montagu Norman of
the Bank of England and Hjalmar Horace Greeley Schacht of
the Reichsbank.

Emile Moreau, head of Bank of France, hated travel almost
as much as he hated England's central banker. So he sent a
subordinate to represent him.

The problem before them was gold. More to the point, the
problem was the run on England's gold because of the
mispricing of the pound sterling by Norman. Strong was a
close personal friend of Norman's. Schacht and Norman were
friendly too. It was the French who were causing problems.
France was threatening to redeem its credits with the Bank
of England by drawing down England's stock of gold.

Strong decided to help take the pressure off the pound by
lowering U.S. interest rates and making U.S. gold available
to the French. An economist at J.P. Morgan remarked shortly
after: "Monty and Ben sowed the wind. I expect we shall
have to reap the whirlwind...We are going to have a world
credit crisis."

A credit crisis did develop. But only after two years of
ballooning debt. The stock market had already nearly
doubled since the end of 1924. Then, following the Long
Island conference, Wall Street shot up another 50% in the
second half of '28. Then, in the three months' leading up
to August of '29 - it ran up another 25%.

New credit instruments were developed - such as installment
purchase plans - so more and more people could participate
in the prosperity. "Everybody Ought to be Rich" wrote John
J. Raskob, director of General Motors and Chairman of the
Democratic Party, in Ladies Home Journal magazine. Then, as
now, it was widely believed that new technology - radio,
telephone, automobiles, electrical appliances - were making
possible a whole new era of wealth.

And yet, then as now...the New Era proved an illusion.

I can almost hear you groan, dear reader. "Oh no," you must
be saying to yourself... "not another letter about the New
Era!"

But before you turn off your computer and begin looking for
lost socks, let me reassure you. Today, I write about
neither stocks nor technology - but about gold.

And what I want to show you is what happens when a New Era
credit bubble collapses.

"Why would I want to buy gold?" asked a DR reader recently.
"You said yourself that deflation is in the offing...not
inflation. Won't gold go down instead of up?"

Of course, I do not know what gold will do. But I will show
you what happened on the last occasion of deflation in
America.

In the last half of the `20s, the Fed began to become
nervous by what it saw as excessive borrowing and
`irrational exuberance' in the stock market. In 1925, the
Discount Rate charged to commercial banks for Fed funds was
only 3%. In a series of increases, it rose to 5% in 1928.
But the mania continued. Finally, in August of '29, the
rate was hiked to 6% and the bubble was pricked.

These rate increases are blamed for the bust that followed.
But the real rate of return on borrowed funds was so high
that it is doubtful that these rate increases had much
effect. If you could earn 25% on your money in 3 months in
the 2nd quarter of '29, on Wall Street, a 1% increase in the
cost of money would not be a serious deterrent. Then, as so
recently, money from Europe rushed into the U.S. to take
advantage of rising stock prices. An extra point of
interest cost did little to tilt the balance away from U.S.
investments.

Still, the balance did tilt...so much that investment slid
from the positive to the negative side of the scales in a
trice. Stocks crashed. Businesses failed. Prices fell. By
1931, wholesale prices were 24% below those of '29 and
would soon drop another 10%. 15% of the labor force was
thrown out of work by 1931...two years later it would reach
25%. Over 10,000 banks failed.

Banks back then were like mutual funds...or stock
portfolios... today. There was no deposit insurance. Losses
were real. Final. The wealth simply disappeared.

But what happened to gold? Did it fall more than 30% along
with other wholesale prices?

No. Quite the contrary, it rose. Fearful of banks, wary of
stocks...people turned to gold to protect their wealth.
Bank deposits fell. People preferred to keep their cash -
or gold - in hand. This was a problem. Because the
financial system depended on the health of the banks...and
their willingness to lend. When people withdrew their
money, the banks failed and depositors became even more
fearful of the banking system.

Failing banks became such a problem that President Hoover
tried persuasion to convince people to leave their money in
the banks. He sent straight-talking Col. Frank Knox around
the country on a campaign to discourage hoarding of
currency or gold. Knox is better remembered as America's
Secretary of War in WWII. He is famous for his remark to
T.V. Tsoong, the Chinese Ambassador. Putting his arm around
the ambassador, Knox proclaimed his confidence in the
American war against the Japanese: "Don't worry, T.V.," he
assured the Chinaman, "we'll lick those yellow bastards
yet."

As banks failed, the supply of money declined. Thus, the
value of money increased (prices fell). The U.S. was still
on the gold standard, so the value of gold increased
accordingly. But soon, forward-thinking economists, led by
Britain's John Maynard Keynes, saw the need for more
money...and more credit...to get the economy moving again.
Gold seemed to bar the way.

Frightened that America might devalue the dollar (in terms
of gold), investors began to move their capital abroad - or
into gold itself. In February of '33 there was a run on
U.S. gold - $160 million left the treasury. Another $160
million was called away in the first four days of March.
The commercial banks were losing gold too - over $80
million went out of their vaults in the last 10 days of
February...and $200 million more in the first 4 days of
March.

Arthur Dewing, professor at the Harvard Business School,
was so alarmed that he went into the Harvard Trust Company
on Harvard Square and took out his entire balance in the
form of gold coins. "When the crowds inside the bank
reported Dewing's action to the people on the street,"
writes Peter Bernstein in his book, Power of Gold, "a mob
gathered on the Square, fighting to get into the bank to
follow the example set by the distinguished professor."
Dewing was subsequently criticized for "unpatriotic
behavior," and left the faculty soon after.

Into this rush into gold came wheeled the next America's
next president, Franklin Roosevelt. On March 8, Roosevelt
held his first press conference - assuring the nation that
the gold standard would remain. On March 9, he pushed the
Emergency Banking Act through Congress - giving him the
power to regulate or prohibit gold ownership. And less than
a month later, he replaced Hoover's persuasion with
outright force - the leader of the free world made it
illegal to hold gold.

And two month's later, Roosevelt even abrogated all
contracts in which payment was stipulated in terms of gold
- including obligations of the U.S. government.

Anything so popular that the government declares it illegal
is bound to be a good investment. Gold rose in value - by
market demand, confirmed by government edict - by 69%
between Roosevelt's inauguration in March '33 and January
'34. In terms of purchasing power...gold had risen almost
100% during the biggest deflation in America's history.

"This is the end of Western civilization," declared Lewis
Douglas, Director of the Budget. And, in a sense, it
was....

More to come....

Bill Bonner

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To: Zardoz who wrote (62331)12/30/2000 3:53:49 PM
From: Richnorth  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 116752
 
December 30, 2000. White House Adventure: Opening the Gold Closet

The second Bush's first administration will enter the White House with more detailed knowledge of its physical layout and recent operating procedures than any new administration in modern U.S. history. But keeping skeletons hidden inside White House closets is getting tougher, thanks in large measure to the Internet. Once tightly shut to the outside world, the chamber of presidential extramarital affairs was forced open during the Clinton administration. What emerged was no less startling than Sir Thomas Beecham's description of the harpsichord: "Two skeletons copulating on a corrugated tin roof." If skeletons rattle for George W. and his new administration, they are likely to come from a different and even more secret White House chamber: the gold closet.

The nation's policies on gold have been set at the White House since the arrival of the New Deal. They are closeted because they cannot withstand legal or constitutional scrutiny. But not until the Clinton administration did manipulation of the free market price of gold become national policy, all as set forth in the complaint in the gold price fixing case. The new President and three of his top cabinet officers -- Attorney General-designate Ashcroft, Secretary of State-designate Powell, and Secretary of the Treasury-designate O'Neill -- must determine how to respond to this complaint. Today, trying to hide it in the gold closet is more than a bet against the power of markets. It is a bet, too, against the power of the Internet.

The opening question for the Attorney General is whether the Department of Justice should represent some or all of the government defendants, as would ordinarily be expected. However, the Attorney General is also responsible for enforcement of the antitrust laws. Under normal circumstances, a price fixing scheme of the size and scope alleged in the complaint would not just attract the attention of the DOJ. It would be considered for criminal prosecution. As one current antitrust treatise notes (T.V. Vakeries, Antitrust Basics (Law Journal Press, 2000), p. 4-1): "Price fixing constitutes one of the most serious antitrust offenses. ... Corporate executives involved in horizontal price fixing agreements face a substantial risk of criminal prosecution.... Justice Department policy is to seek fines against indicted corporations and prison sentences, as well as fines, against individual executives...."

Thus the Attorney General must resolve at the outset whether his obligation to enforce the antitrust laws disqualifies the DOJ from representing any of the alleged government participants, particularly in circumstances where the private corporate defendants may assert that their price fixing activities had official sanction or support. The Attorney General could find himself in a very awkward position should he try to defend officials of the Exchange Stabilization Fund or Federal Reserve while at the same time pursuing price fixing claims against the bullion banks. But to defend the entire gold price fixing scheme as legal would make a farce of the Sherman Act's most fundamental prohibition. In short, unless there are well-founded grounds for denying the principal factual allegations of the complaint, the Attorney General has no easy option.

What is more, the Attorney General's responsibilities are not confined to the antitrust laws. He is the nation's chief law enforcement officer. The two Federal Reserve defendants are alleged to have exceeded the scope of their constitutional or legal authority not just by manipulating gold prices, but also by assuming seats on the board of the Bank for International Settlements, effectively making the United States a member of that organization. Its plan, apparently backed by the Federal Reserve, to shed the limitations imposed by partial private ownership of its shares and to become a public international financial institution akin to the IMF or World Bank raises serious constitutional issues regarding the conduct and control of U.S. foreign policy.

If the United States is to participate in an international organization which has broad economic power and influence, should it do so solely through the relatively independent Federal Reserve? Does the Constitution require that U.S. participation in any such organization be subject to direct presidential and congressional oversight? Indeed, even were it constitutionally permissible, is it advisable to confer on the Federal Reserve powers which may bring it into major conflict with the President or Congress on issues of foreign policy? If their appointments are confirmed by the Senate, how much authority on international economic or monetary affairs is General Powell or Mr. O'Neill prepared to share with the Fed chairman? More importantly, although the President decides conflicts among his cabinet officers, who resolves policy disputes between the secretaries of state and of the treasury on the one hand, and the Fed chairman and his colleagues at the BIS on the other?

An unlikely alliance of liberals and conservatives, ranging from Senator Jesse Helms (Rep., N.C.) to the Black Caucus, blocked congressional approval of proposed gold sales by the International Monetary Fund in 1999. Proceeds from the sales were marked for aid to heavily indebted poor countries, many in sub-Saharan Africa with significant export earnings from gold mining. These prospective beneficiaries themselves opposed the sales because the damage from probable lower gold prices threatened to outweigh any benefits from the IMF's planned aid. What neither these nations nor apparently their U.S. congressional allies realized was that those pushing hardest for the sales wanted lower gold prices, and that if they could not achieve their objective by this means, they would try another, even if it meant going underground and employing the facilities of the BIS.

As a result, the foreign policy of the United States as regards sub-Saharan Africa in general, and South Africa in particular, has become intertwined with the U.S. relationship to the BIS, an issue that has never been considered by Congress. But these issues, important as they are, form only a small part of a much larger foreign policy mosaic, which in today's global economy involves a number of difficult and complex issues relating to international trade and finance.

According to Gerald Seib of The Wall Street Journal ("Bush as Leader: Like Father, Yes, But Not Entirely," December 13, 2000, p. A28): "In private conversation, [George W.] is far more interested in foreign affairs than his tentative public presentations suggest. ... But Mr. Bush has also been candid in confiding to friends that he has much to learn in the foreign arena, particularly in international economics." Good leaders know their own strengths and weaknesses, and seek to compensate for the latter by choosing competent advisers. Starting with his choice of running mate and continuing over the past couple of weeks, George W. looks to be assembling a strong team well-matched to his own abilities and instincts. He will need it. So will the country.

The Clinton administration is widely identified with positions favoring expanded trade, free markets, increased transparency, and a strong U.S. dollar. A major issue for the incoming Bush administration is whether that strong dollar -- so vital to the U.S. economy -- is largely a mirage reflecting covert manipulation of gold prices carried out over the past several years with the support of the ESF and the Fed. If the ESF has been intervening in the gold market as alleged in the complaint, the new President and his secretary of the treasury cannot avoid a decision on whether to continue these activities. From noon on January 20, 2001, they are the ESF.

In this connection, their worst fear should be not that the ESF has worked to hold down gold prices, but that these activities have constituted part of a broader pattern of market manipulations aimed at supporting stocks as well as the dollar. Since mid-1994, a number of analysts and market observers have noted unusually large purchases of S&P futures when stocks have fallen to critical levels. Like derivatives on gold, derivatives on equities provide not just enormous leverage but also an effective tool for potential market manipulators. The Clinton treasury department and the Fed have led the campaign for minimal regulation of derivatives, citing fears that this lucrative business dominated by a handful of large international banks might otherwise move offshore. The result, intentional or not, is that they have kept the tools for manipulating markets close at hand.

As George W. and his new administration determine how to respond to the gold price fixing complaint, they are confronted with a major policy dilemma. One path is to open the White House gold closet, to follow the Constitution and the laws of the land as best they can interpret them in good faith, and to make an honest and long overdue effort at real reform of the international monetary system. It is a hard path, likely when taken at this late date and through no fault of theirs to produce considerable economic dislocation and pain, but offering promise over the longer term for a better -- even a golden -- future.

The other path is the policy of the last three-quarters of a century: a war on gold, excessive monetary nationalism, and short run fixes at the expense of other nations. Perhaps this policy can succeed until the next election. But its continuation runs ever increasing risk that events may blow the doors clean off the White House gold closet under conditions of almost unimaginable crisis. Then, as the skeletons emerge pointing their long accusatory fingers at administrations that chose to trifle with the monetary provisions of the Constitution, history will rewrite reputations while pooh-bahs in finance ministries and central banks around the world relearn Sir Walter Scott's familiar lines:

O, what a tangled web we weave,
When first we practice to deceive.
Marmion,6.17(1808)

December 19, 2000. Discovery, Intervention and the Rule of Law

Among the more frequently asked questions about the gold price fixing case are why wasn't it brought as a class action and what are the chances of getting to discovery. Many asking the first are past or present gold mining company shareholders interested in recouping some of their losses. Those asking the second typically express doubt as to whether these rich, powerful and politically well-connected defendants can truly be called to account in a court of law. In short, they anticipate that motions to dismiss will be granted even if in law they should not be.

Only the courts can answer the cynics. All I can say is that if we were to adopt their position without first making the best effort possible to vindicate the rule of law, we would never really know whether they were right or not. So my job is to pursue the litigation as best I can; GATA's job is to raise funds for the effort and to publicize the cause.

The case was not brought as a class action for a number of reasons, some of which relate to certain technical and other requirements pertaining this form of lawsuit. In this connection, it cannot be disregarded that I am a pro se plaintiff. However, the rules governing civil litigation in the federal courts allow other parties to intervene, either as plaintiffs or defendants, if they have a right or interest that may be affected by the action. Plaintiff-intervenors are not generally permitted in antitrust cases brought by the government, but they are often allowed in private civil actions to enforce the antitrust laws. What is more, a plaintiff-intervenor may seek in an appropriate case to intervene as a class representative, and thus to convert the suit to a class action.

Plaintiff-intervenors in a price fixing case must ordinarily meet the same test for standing as an original plaintiff. Accordingly, for the reasons set forth in an earlier memo, shareholders in gold mining companies would face a distinctly uphill battle in seeking to intervene. But gold mining companies themselves have a much stronger basis for intervention, and shareholders should probably direct their efforts in this direction. Another obvious category of potential plaintiff-intervenors are other private shareholders in the Bank for International Settlements. Indeed, they probably have good grounds for intervention as of right. Other possible plaintiff-intervenors include persons who have dealt or traded in gold during the pendency of the alleged price fixing scheme, or those who are paid or compensated under formulas based on gold prices.

While intervenors normally come in as plaintiffs or defendants, they are not confined to the pleadings of the original parties. Rather, they are free to assert their own claims or defenses as they see fit. In the present case, for example, other BIS shareholders might well intervene but take a rather different approach from mine, such as downplaying or ignoring the gold price fixing and constitutional claims and focusing more narrowly on issues of share price valuation. On the other hand, someone who had traded gold futures or options would intervene only on the price fixing claims.

Potential plaintiff-intervenors also have the option of starting their own legal actions. When brought in federal courts, different actions in essentially the same matter are frequently consolidated under special provisions for complex and multi-district litigation. Many plaintiffs, especially in class action cases, adopt a quite proprietary attitude toward their lawsuits and resist intrusion by plaintiff-intervenors. My inclination, however, is to look more favorably on this possibility, particularly if a well-funded party with able counsel presents itself to the court.

Turning to the question of discovery, I am very pleased to report the formation of a Discovery Committee to assist me in determining precisely what information to request or search for and to help me evaluate what is received or uncovered. The committee consists of James Turk, Michael Bolser and Adam Hamilton, none of whom are strangers to readers of The Golden Sextant, members of Le Metropole Cafe, or the gold community in general. Bill Murphy, Chris Powell and I are most grateful to this knowledgeable and intrepid trio for their willingness to help. Their participation should give comfort to our friends and pause to our opponents.

December 8, 2000. Battle Stations!

Yesterday the proprietor filed his promised legal action: (1) to torpedo the attempt by the Bank for International Settlements to take the shares of its American issue -- including his -- at an unfairly low price by fraudulent means and without due process of law; (2) to fight the international gold price fixing conspiracy, which through its illegal activities has injured many around the world, especially in sub-Saharan Africa and other places with significant gold mining operations; and (3) to defend basic constitutional principles, including those relating to gold, money and banking. The complaint, filed in the United States District Court for the District of Massachusetts, Boston, Massachusetts, is posted at a new site section: GOLD PRICE FIXING CASE.

I will have more to say about this legal action in future commentaries. In the meantime, my thanks to all who have supported the effort so far. But the battle has just begun. GATA and I are going to need all the support we can get: new allies, willing witnesses, as much relevant information as our many friends worldwide can provide or discover, and financial contributions.

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