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To: Alex who wrote (62344)	12/31/2000 7:15:36 AM
From: d:oug	Respond to of 116753

Alex, The Awful Truth for vp gore supporters is NOT that the bush folks stole the prez elect nomination, but that the day after election night the gore folks had in their possession the legal means under Florida law to have a hand recount of all the Florida votes in a manner that would have prevented a Circus of Fools to take place with Final Stop/Show at US Supreme Court. One week after election night I posted on another thread why the activity put into place by the gore supporters was in fact things to be done to prevent a successful recount. Follows is what I posted back then that lead me to be very very positive that it was only a matter of time until the Supreme Court gets it and sees it as "junk" not to be used to have a prez elect determination made from. But as I wrote, the gore people had it on a silver platter with a good as gold potential to have a hand recount done and collect using a minimal test for voter intent something that could not be questioned as unfair, plus also be very simple and straightforward to obtain total understanding of procedure with close to absolute fair determination. From November 7 to December 12 or whatever the day was was double the amount of time needed to complete the complete state of Florida. For example, ignore that butterfly ballet and other issues not related to the actual punch card. Just focus on those chads and just for example a chad still attached to the card with only one or two corners to be counted as a vote. A chad with three corners attached, which includes all dimpled pregnate chads are not to be counted. Gore would have won prez elect before December 1 arrived. Q: What do I do now? A: E-mail this to everyone you know... Gore beat Bush by several hundred thousand votes To: Alan Whirlwind who wrote (1374) From: Doug A K Wednesday, November 15, 2000 Alan, I'm not up to speed on what happen at Miramar... Time 4 my Crystal Ball to Tell the Future ... the curent usa prez election ... once the USA Supreme Court enters the picture to decide the final path taken, that they will acknowledge that yes indeed the current vote count in Florida can not be viewed as correct or false if one wants to know what the actually voting citizens decided through their voting. So, Supreme Court will say, "Sorry" but you knew the system was poor and you let it continue unchanged in the past 4 years, and the scope and magnitude and importance and degree and the Kitchen Sink does not allow a redone over that can only be done over a 2-3 year period. So, you made you bed, sleep in it, and you have 3 years 10 months to remake you bed for the next usa prez election. every vote counts every vote will not be counted margin of error + or - 5% which itself contains a margin of error + or - 10% the political system knew this and allowed it and by default accepted results for the usa prez election imagine if at the end of each day the USA Post Office for every 100 letters dropped into mail boxes 10 will be discarded into garbage because of "hole not punched completely" imagine if the usa public was told this the government officials were elected to represent all usa citizens and these government officials decided to not fix knowned errors so in a way they spoke for their citizens let it be, as is, 5-10 % of each vote count, not counted angry then complain to those you already elected to governemnt ... soon its usa prez bush and after jan 2001 the light will shine on why price of gold manipulated and how and by who and price of golds goes to $2,000 doug

To: Alex who wrote (62344)	12/31/2000 7:28:31 AM
From: The Street	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 116753

You get your "news" from Moore? ROF....

To: Alex who wrote (62344)	12/31/2000 10:30:00 AM
From: long-gone	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 116753

IN THIS ISSUE: Post Seattle, there has been a lot of talk about how to reform the WTO. In this issue, Walden Bello argues that in the case of both the IMF and the WTO, NGOs must be aware of the pitfalls of the reform agenda. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Why Reform of the WTO is the Wrong Agenda By Walden Bello* In the wake of the collapse of the Seattle Ministerial, there has emerged the opinion that reform of the WTO is now the program that NGOs, governments, and citizens must embrace. The collapse of the WTO Ministerial is said to provide a unique window of opportunity for a reform agenda. Cited by some as a positive sign is United States Trade Representative Charlene Barshefsky's comment, immediately after the collapse of the Seattle Ministerial, that "the WTO has outgrown the processes appropriate to an earlier time." An increasing and necessary view, generally shared among the members, was that we needed a process which had a greater degree of internal transparency and inclusion to accommodate a larger and more diverse membership." (1) Also seen as an encouraging gesture is UK Secretary of State for Trade and Industry Stephen Byers' recent statement to Commonwealth Trade Ministers in New Delhi that the "WTO will not be able to continue in its present form. There has to be fundamental and radical change in order for it to meet the needs and aspirations of all 134 of its members." (2) These are, in our view, damage control statements and provide little indication of the seriousness about reform of the two governments that were, pre-Seattle, the stoutest defenders of the inequalities built into the structure, dynamics, and objectives of the WTO. It is unfortunate that they are now being cited to convince developing countries and NGOs to take up an agenda of reform that could lead precisely to the strengthening of an organization that is very fundamentally flawed. (cont) focusweb.org