To: IceShark who wrote (53146 ) 1/3/2001 9:30:52 AM From: accountclosed Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 436258 you know, i need to get more of the details. but these guys simply did not take naked positions. it was very strict, go home flat and take the vigorish off the table. i was closely involved when they got started. i read natenberg's "options volatility and pricing strategies" with them. they were constantly monitoring the flatness of their positions in all respects. i can't recite the various greek letters assigned, but i think you know what i mean when i say they were monitoring their risks from all directions. later, they branched out from floor trading to being the specialist firm in the options on the floor of phlx. again with the same strategies. it was a very lucrative biz. and everyone was well aware of people taking even layup naked positions and losing their shirts. there was a friend of theirs/mine that took a huge naked position that was 99.9999999% likely to suceed and went bankrupt when the underlying stock issued like a 90% dividend (as a percentage of the market value of the stock). anyway, this guy went out to the west coast and opened up an office for this firm on the pacific exchange. i presume he rented his seat. and there is no report of an account blow up. just that it wasn't profitable any more! and the wording i saw was that when the market briefly turned up, it appeared that the market might be profitable again but proved not to be. the only thing i can say is that options specialists have to trade vigorously in both puts/calls and the underlying. constantly juggling all three to remain flat. perhaps with the volatile market, even split second legging into positions was hazardous, or that if the option on one side of the trade was thick, the option on the other side of the trade was thin (in volume, obviously), or that spreads that are so wide that retail customers such as the cfz crowd curse, also hurt the pros, since they have to buy the opposite option to remain flat, just like a customer. very interesting to me....i have to reiterate this was not a group that took naked positions.