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To: Selectric II who wrote (20823)1/3/2001 7:28:07 PM
From: pcstel  Respond to of 29987
 
<<Sorry, but your own re-interpretation of "democracy" doesn't comport with the dictionary definition you gave earlier. "One man, one vote," is not the criteria. And, while the slates of presidential electors are chosen, it is ALWAYS the electors who we vote for, not the candidates by direct election -- how do you think the electors come to cast their electoral votes?>>

3. The common people, considered as the primary source of political power.

Sounds like one man / person one vote to me.. I did not see one "dictionary definition" of "A Democracy" that stated.

8. A system of government where the political leaders are "elected" by a group of self-appointed members of a given Organizational Body of a particular Partisan Political Party.. The actons of this "Partisan elected" group should be done in a manner which represents the "implied" will of the voting populace at large. Yet, there can be no guarantee that the "will of the people" will be carried forward in such instances..

Yep!! Sounds like a democracy to me!!!

<it is ALWAYS the electors who we vote for, not the candidates by direct election >

That's funny!! I have NEVER voted for an elector in my life.. My ballot shows a candidate for President.. Not some "Homemaker" in Santee, CA.. If Candidate A receives "The Majority" of the Votes on a Nationwide basis. Then it seems Portentous that a "Homemeker " in Santee, CA could over-ride the directive of the "Will of the People".. That is definitely not a Democracy.. Maybe Santee Ladies Bridge Club Democratic Republic Democracy. But, not a true Democracy...

<And, going back to your "anything less than that is not Democracy," the USA is a democratic republic.>

Ahhh!! Now we are getting somewhere.. You see.. That's what I said.. The USA IS NOT A DEMOCRACY" Even though we teach out children in school the concept of "Democracy" and protract this image of the United States as the "Template of Democracy".. Which you just admitted... That it is not.. It is a Democratic Republic..

China also claims to be a Democratic Republic.. They hold elections, and are called "People's Republic of China"...
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You see.. Iraq is a Democratic Republic, China is a Democratic Republic.. Are they a true "Democracy"???

No!! And either is the United States of America..

Sure it sounds all good in theory, and in the textbooks.. But in reality.. It is just not true..

&lt;You can debate the definition of the term, &quot;true Democracy,&quot; until the cows come home, but it's like debating the term &quot;communism.&quot;&gt;

Acutally, I disagree.. You are either a Democracy.. Or you are not!! There is no &quot;Grey Area&quot;.. Either, everyone who wants to vote. Votes.. and the ballots are counted, and the one with the most votes wins!! That is a Democracy.. If you start deviating from this theology in the n'th degree.. Then you are no longer a Democracy!!

Then you can be cast among the other countries that &quot;pretend&quot; they are a Democracy.. But are really a &quot;Democratic Republic&quot; whatever that means..

(A Democratic Republic really means.. Hey!! We will tell you we are a Democracy!! Teach the principles to you and your kids in School and talk a good line about it in Textbooks.. But.... When it comes right down to it.. We are just "kinda" like a Democracy)

&lt;That's the system. And, how do you think the nominees even get on the ballot? Sometimes by party caucuses, sometimes by primaries, but always as chosen representatives of their parties.&gt;
Do you know the steps necessary to &quot;run for the Presidency of the United States&quot;.. It has NOTHING TO DO with &quot;But always as a chosen representative of their parties&quot;.. Any US Citizen that meets the age and other basic requirements can run for the office of President.

Each state has different requirements in order to get your name &quot;emblazoned&quot; on the ballot of a given State..

PCSTEL