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To: bonnuss_in_austin who wrote (2382)	1/3/2001 8:02:07 PM
From: epicure	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 6089

I know lots of women in their 20's who have other ambitions. You can't rewrite our DNA programming and make women uninterested in mating- nor would it be a very good idea for our species if we did. Since women bear the brunt of child creation they will always be interested in resources from their male partner- I think that may be hard wired. Society has certainly evolved with that idea as well- and since the children of males with resources do better than those without, you will have a tough time fighting reality. But we have made tremendous strides- I don't see how you can look at the workplace of today and not see that. It is NOT same ole same ole. I have a collection of old college yearbooks that were my fathers- I can guarantee you that things have changed so substantially, in such a short time, I can hardly believe it. It takes my breath away- how many doctors and attorneys and politicians are women now. It is a shortcoming not to be able to see what has been accomplished. You will find it hard to realistically evaluate the challenges ahead, if you cannot realistically evaluate the gains that have been made. For one thing, many people will see you as out of touch with reality.

To: bonnuss_in_austin who wrote (2382)	1/4/2001 3:49:45 AM
From: bela_ghoulashi	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 6089

Bland recently worked for a woman who was both black and overweight. She was hard-working, dedicated, and intelligent. He reported to her for about five months, until she was promoted and transferred to another city. Four of the last six immediate superiors bland has had have been female. He has known women throughout his career in positions of significant authority. He has never seen a woman denied promotion because she was woman. He has seen women rightly chosen for positions over men who were less competent. And vice-versa. Bland has personally made many decisions to promote individuals throughout his own career, and he has always overwhelmingly based his choices on competence and reliability, period. The best and brightest candidate available at the time: man or woman, red, white, or blue. In short, X is right: the greater part of the battle truly has been won. It's not so much a matter of being male or female, or of what race you are...it is truly more a matter of being willing and able to do what it takes to succeed, without expecting everything to simply be handed over to you just because you sacrificed enough of your time to show up. Attitude, effort, and acuity count for far more than anything else in any workplace bland has ever been associated with.