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Politics : PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Patricia Trinchero who wrote (121387)	1/9/2001 12:33:31 AM
From: Neocon	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 769667

Let's go further. Let us wave the right of society to criminalize anything. Instead, let all make their own choice based upon their religious beliefs, their psychological background, the advice of their shrinks, and many other non- measurable factors. I mean, who are we to say that one should not steal? If one is a Communist, it is against one's beliefs to respect private property. Murder, well, in some cultures it is a matter of honor to kill an adulteress, as she has shamed the family. Who are we to ban the practice? I mean, choice is choice, right?!!!

To: Patricia Trinchero who wrote (121387)	1/9/2001 1:10:03 AM
From: DavesM	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769667

The argument regarding abortion has always bothered me. On one hand a woman has the right to her body, but what if a pregnant woman likes to smoke cigarettes and drink a couple of boilermakers to relax, every day? Its her body isn't it. Or for that matter a few lines of cocaine or heroin...its her body and her choice isn't it? On the other hand, some like to call abortion murder when it is clearly legal. To say it is murder is saying that millions of women are murders. Doesn't that cheapen, and lessen the act of murder? Isn't the worst one should call it given the law, is a justifiable homicide? And doesn't the Bible allow parents to take their childrens' lives for a variety of reasons? What if in the future a woman gets pregnant and gets an abortion to provide neuron cells for a parent or relative to treat a stroke or parkinson's. Or for that matter, what if the Communist Chinese go into business selling fetal parts from forced abortions to those with stokes or Parkinson's. I no longer know what to think about the issue. Its just too big for me at the moment.

To: Patricia Trinchero who wrote (121387)	1/9/2001 1:57:45 AM
From: asenna1	Respond to of 769667

And as a man, there is nothing more embarrassing than listening to other so-called "men" speak out against women's rights. NOTHING. It has always been well beyond amazing to listen to "men" argue against abortion, watch "men" demonstrate against abortion, observe MEN make total and utter fools of themselves while they campaign against something that we, as men, can never in 100 million years even begin to understand. I can only imagine how loud these losers would be barking if women were attempting to dictate to these "men" something equivalent. The fact there is nothing equivalent should tell these blind dogs something, but it doesn't and that fact alone speaks volumes. I can't think of a better example of total arrogance then "Men Against Women's Rights" Its simply staggering. IT'S NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS!

To: Patricia Trinchero who wrote (121387)	1/9/2001 10:44:45 AM
From: PROLIFE	Respond to of 769667

<<from a human embryo>> ""yeah, Bob....kill me a female today and send "it" on over to the house...you know my check is good...I need a couple arms and a brain today..."" <<maybe everyone against the use of these tissues in research should declare that they and their families should never receive any benefit from this type of treatment.>> are you so valuable? Much more than that infant that you will kill for your research, huh? Please read on, if you can. Can You draw a parallel between today’s abortionists and the Nazi doctors? Yes! There is a direct parallel between the two holocausts, neither of which could have happened without doctors. Excerpted from The Abortion Holocaust, W. Brennan, THEN versus TODAY ********** THEN"A doctor may interrupt a pregnancy when it ‘threatens the life or health of the mother [and] an unborn child that is likely to present hereditary and transmissible defects may be destroyed.’" (German Penal Code and Hamburg Eugenics Court, 1933) TODAY "A licensed physician is justified in terminating a pregnancy if he believes that pregnancy would gravely impair the physical or mental health of the mother or that the child would be born with grave physical or mental defects." (American Law Institute Model Penal Code, 1962) ******** THEN"Only persons of ‘German or related blood’ can be citizens; this does not include Jews." (Reich Citizenship Law, 1935) TODAY "The word ‘person’ as used in the fourteenth Amendment, does not include the unborn." ( U.S. Supreme Court, Roe vs. Wade, 1973) ******* THEN"The authority of physicians is enlarged to include the responsibility for according a ‘mercy death [to] incurables.’ " (Hitler’s Euthanasia Order, Sept. 1939) TODAY** "The abortion decision in all its aspects is inherently and primarily a medical decision and basic responsibility for it must rest with the physician." (U.S. Supreme Court, Roe vs. Wade, 1973)

To: Patricia Trinchero who wrote (121387)	1/9/2001 10:54:14 AM
From: PROLIFE	Respond to of 769667

continued:: THEN and NOW Obedience to Authority THEN"The accused did not act wrongly because they were covered by law [and] were carrying out the laws of the land." (Hadamar Euthanasia Hospital Trial, 1945) NOW "I did nothing which was illegal, immoral or bad medicine. Everything I did was in accordance with law." (Dr. Kenneth C. Edelin, 1975) *** THEN"The physician is merely an instrument as in the case of an officer who receives an order." (Dr. Karl Brandt, Doctors’ Trial, 1947) NOW "The physician is only the instrument of her decision." (Dr. Bernard N. Nathanson, 1974) Subhumanity of the Victims THEN"The Jewish-Bolshevik Commissars personify a repulsive yet characteristic subhumanity." (Dr. August Hirt, 1942) NOW"For the first four and one-half months the fetus is subhuman and relatively close to a piece of tissue." (Amitai Etzioni, Ph.D., 1976) THEN"It had nothing to do with humanity — it was a mass. I rarely saw them as individuals. It was always a huge mass." (Franz Stangl, former commandant of Treblinka, 1971) NOW "What is aborted is a protoplasmic mass and not a real, live grown-up individual." (Drs. Walter Char & John McDermott, 1972) THEN"Whenever Jews are left to themselves they bring brutal misery and depravity. They are pure parasites." (Adolf Hitler, 1943) NOW "A parasite can commit murder, what attention has Catholic thinking or the law given to the fetus’s capacity to murder its mother?" (Dr. Natalie Shainess, 1968) THEN"If it is now pointed out that the Jew is human, I then reject that totally." (Antisemitic speech, Reichstag, 1895) NOW "It is a wild contention that new-born babies are persons." (Dr. Michael Tooley, 1972) **

To: Patricia Trinchero who wrote (121387)	1/9/2001 11:09:02 AM
From: PROLIFE	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769667

continued::: the LANGUAGE....ah yesssss the language....... The Language of Killing THEN"Fifty-nine thousand persons were evacuated by July 31." (Warsaw, Poland, 1942) NOW "The uterus was evacuated." (Dr. David Edelman & Colleagues, 1974) ** THEN"The Baron de Hirsch ghetto would have to be emptied." (Max Merten, 1943) NOW"The uterine cavity was emptied." (Dr. A.K. Mukerjee, 1973) THEN"The removal of the Jewish element." (Hans Frank, 1943) NOW "Remove** the products of conception." (Dr. Thomas Dillon & Colleagues, 1974) ** THEN"The treatment was administered to the children of the Haar-Eglfing Institution." (Dr. Pfannmuller, 1945) NOW"Abortion as treatment for the sexually transmitted disease of unwanted pregnancy." (Dr. Willard Cates & Colleagues, 1976) THEN"The method of injection is a completely painless method." (Dr. Adolf Wahlmann, 1945) NOW "Evacuate the conceptus painlessly within 45 seconds." (Dr. Harvey Karman, 1972) AND TO CONCLUDE: Experimental Exploitation THEN"If you are going to kill all these people, at least take the brains out so that the material could be utilized." (Testimony of Dr. Julius Hallervordan, 1947) NOW** "In the case of abortion the fetus cannot be ‘helped’ by being experimented upon since it is doomed to death anyhow, but perhaps its death can be ennobled . . . when the research has as its objective the saving of lives (or the reduction of defects) of other wanted fetuses." (Drs. Willard Gaylin & Mark Lappe, 1975) WILL THIS BE YOUR LEGACY TOO.....the regime of Hitlers certainly has one.If you do not see the comparisons you are totally blinded by what? wealth? power? glory? these too wither away....