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To: one_less who wrote (115)1/10/2001 4:55:08 PM
From: TigerPaw  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 1112
 
homogeneous or heterogeneous
The classifications make sense to me. In the last 40 years I think the general makeup of the American population has shifted solidly to heterogeneous, I know it has in the South West. It is too late to shift back to the former makeup, either ethnicly, religiously, or politically. The only way to get a new homogeneous group out of the current melange is a blending, for example as in Brasil. (Those who are not white enough, or protestant enough are not just going to fade away and allow the Norman Rockwell vision to reappear).

My personal opinion is that America is more suited to heterogeneous culture and will thrive when committed to celebrate our differences instead of trying to pass laws to make all conform.

I can't think of a stronger group think than a common religion.
TP



To: one_less who wrote (115)1/10/2001 5:11:46 PM
From: Neocon  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 1112
 
When I was in junior high, one could be a greaser (Peters jackets, tennis shoes, slicked back hair), a collegiate (somewhat preppie looking), a hippie, and several other things. People tended to hang out with their types. This was around 70, so it did not suddenly emerge in the 80s. Also, the music was often great in the 80s. This was the time of world music influences, like Paul Simon's "Graceland" and Peter Gabriel's "Big Time". The Police, U2, The Heartbreakers, The Cure: there were a lot of very good, innovative bands. REM and The Talking Heads were not only writing and performing great music, but were producing wonderful music videos. The independent film movement took off in the 80s; there was a sort of golden age in TV dramatic series, with Hill Street Blues, Law and Order, and The Rockford Files; there were many fine sitcoms, like Taxi, Barney Miller, WKRP, and Cheers; and, overall, there was a lot of stuff percolating culturally.

I will talk about the 90s in a moment......



To: one_less who wrote (115)1/10/2001 5:33:58 PM
From: Neocon  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 1112
 
As for the 90s, the decade started out with the zenith of the alternative music scene. Not only the grunge bands, like Pearl Jam and Nirvana, but other alternative acts like the Smashing Pumpkins, the Indigo Girls, the Red Hot Chili Peppers, and Siouxsie Sioux and the Banshees did pretty well, and some, like REM, became so successful they were mainstream, to their disconcertment. The indies, having shown that they were profitable, were beginning to get studio financing, but that meant they had more resources, and that greater innovation began to affect Hollywood. By the middle of the decade, someone like Quentin Tarantino could leap from being a clerk at Blockbuster, to selling a script for a moderately successful movie, to directing his own script as an indie, to being seriously bankrolled (Pulp Fiction). Pedro Almodovar suddenly had a big hit with his campy import Women on the Verge of a Nervous Breakdown, followed by Tie Me Up, Tie Me Down. Wim Wenders had a big hit with Wings of Desire. Various foreign films were doing serious box office, on a comparative basis. In the states, David Lynch became one of the most talked about directors with Blue Velvet, and later invaded tv with Twin Peaks.

Now, this not only demonstrates a dynamic cultural environment, but it also has another peculiar feature: one's familiarity with such things may have been determined by educational level or social class, but ideology was a poor predictor. I was a reception for a conservative conference once, and someone excused himself because he needed to get dinner on in time to watch Twin Peaks. At another forum, Irving Kristol startled everyone by mentioning that the only tv show he watched regularly was Northern Exposure (one of my favorites), a left- leaning but intellectually stimulating comedy. Although some Buchanan supporter types were put off, and murmured ominously, a large fraction of the audience applauded.

The New Republic, a bastion of liberalism, actually hired a couple some moderates, and occasionally published unorthodox (critical) pieces about contemporary liberalism. National Review, on the other hand, occasionally invited Democrats and socialist like Christopher Hitchens to contribute to brewing controversies.

All in all, my perception of the 90s is that it was not remarkably subject to group- think, or close- minded, that it was a time of ferment.......