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To: Dayuhan who wrote (460)	1/11/2001 11:32:37 PM
From: Lazarus_Long	Respond to of 82486

Intelligence is not so easy to measure, and it is by no means the only operative factor in academic or other accomplishment. Nor are the effects of economic deprivation so easy to measure. Some parents don't even care of their kids are literate; others put all their attention and money into seeing that theit kids succeed in scholl, believing that is the basis for later success. Shouldn't thst first class of kids be given an srtificial leg up to compensate for theit neglectdul paraents? Do you see the endless quagmire this sort of reasoning leads to? Who is to pick those who are artificially given privileges and enforce all these rules?A system that is self-enforcing is needed. If a pragmatic solution is not found, a tyranny such as Mao's Cultural Revolution (in one form or another) must be put in place. f you believe that the "second best" are inherently inferior, than of course it is a waste of time to provide them with education. All of us are second best in many areas. That is no argument for no education. If you believe that a fair number of them are potentially productive individuals that happen to have been born into a very shitty life, which was hardly their fault, I would think that competitive concerns would make us want to do everything possible to help them overcome their initial disadvantages and be as productive as they can be. And I think we've found agreement. To some limited extent, the current educational system achieves this, but it has deteriorated in this regard. It used to be that state universities were quite cheap and some admitted any resident high school graduates who wanted to attend. They didn't have to keep them, but they had to give them a chance.

To: Dayuhan who wrote (460)	1/11/2001 11:37:16 PM
From: Lazarus_Long	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

Intelligence is not so easy to measure, and it is by no means the only operative factor in academic or other accomplishment. Nor are the effects of economic deprivation so easy to measure. Some parents don't even care of their kids are literate; others put all their attention and money into seeing that their kids succeed in school, believing that is the basis for later success. Shouldn't that first class of kids be given an artificial leg up to compensate for their neglectful parents? Do you see the endless quagmire this sort of reasoning leads to? Who is to pick those who are artificially given privileges and enforce all these rules? A system that is self-enforcing is needed. If a pragmatic solution is not found, a tyranny such as Mao's Cultural Revolution (in one form or another) must be put in place. If you believe that the "second best" are inherently inferior, than of course it is a waste of time to provide them with education. All of us are second best in many areas. That is no argument for no education. If you believe that a fair number of them are potentially productive individuals that happen to have been born into a very shitty life, which was hardly their fault, I would think that competitive concerns would make us want to do everything possible to help them overcome their initial disadvantages and be as productive as they can be. And I think we've found agreement. To some limited extent, the current educational system achieves this, but it has deteriorated in this regard. It used to be that state universities were quite cheap and some admitted any resident high school graduates who wanted to attend. They didn't have to keep them, but they had to give them a chance.