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Politics : Al Gore vs George Bush: the moderate's perspective -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: George Coyne who wrote (9298)	1/12/2001 2:09:12 PM
From: H-Man	Respond to of 10042

Thing is that invalidating ballots is really easy to do, with these punch card ballots. My heart sank, when I saw the boxes used to store and transport some of the ballots. A metal box, closed with a chain and a standard Master lock. (As a boy, I had a neighbor who was a lock smith, whom I visited often. He could open one of these locks in seconds. I have seen him inspect a lock, pick up a ring of master keys, sort through them, and after 2-3 tries open it. A number on the bottom of the lock could also be used. He seldom, if ever picked one of them.) One could easily punch / invalidate 500 ballots in the time it takes to get a burger at McD's. I too am very suspicious of Palm Beach, Chicago / Cook county and Philadelphia. Here is an article, discussing statistical evidence of fraud. Long, but compelling. reagan.com

To: George Coyne who wrote (9298)	1/12/2001 4:09:33 PM
From: Nadine Carroll	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 10042

If you believe logic like this you'll suspect anything: "ONLY in Palm Beach FL were 15,000 ballots "invalidated" (for double punched ballots) in the 1996 Presidential election. (This is almost unique among the entire nation! (Certain central city Democratic precincts in Chicago reported 120,000 double-punched ballots; and Duval County in Florida reported 22,000 double-punched ballots. Neither used the same arrangement of candidates as at Palm Beach. This shows that "lining up" buttons was NOT actually an issue at Palm Beach, but was created as an excuse to blame the symptoms of fraud at Palm Beach.) " Let me see if I've got this straight: Palm Beach County had double punches, which were attributed to bad ballot design, and Duval County also had double punches, although it had a different ballot design. Therefore bad ballot design cannot have been at fault in Palm Beach County because it is impossible for there to be two different bad ballot designs that result in double punches. It must have been fraud. With logic like this I can "prove" that the moon is made of green cheese.