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To: Curbstone who wrote (91828)	1/13/2001 9:02:22 PM
From: 10K a day	Respond to of 152472

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To: Curbstone who wrote (91828)	1/13/2001 9:28:39 PM
From: samim anbarcioglu	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 152472

Hello Mike, Throughout human history, more people have died in wars that were fought in the name of religion than all other wars combined. best, sa

To: Curbstone who wrote (91828)	1/13/2001 10:03:48 PM
From: Maurice Winn	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 152472

<What is heck is "public order?" And who or what determines what is reasonable with regard to its disruption?> It's whatever those who hold power say it is. The police are usually not far away to tell people if they are disrupting public order, be it in the USA, NZ or China. Often the police get it wrong, but it is still there at the citizen interface where the rules are set - it's too late later to cancel the club on the head or the false arrest. If the Jiang Zemin or the police don't want a crowd of Falung Gongers doing 'exercizes' in front of Jiang Zemin's house, then they won't be doing them. I must say I wouldn't want a bunch of people doing "religious" exercizes outside my house, paying undue attention to me as part of their "religious" activities. True, the lawful murder of citizens in the democratically elected German Nazi era and the Stalin and Mao murder rates and Pol Pot's among others, far exceeded recent religious mayhem. But when religions held the political power as well as some dressing-in-drag habits by priests, they were quite enthusiastically murderous regimes. There were crusades, there were burnings of witches in the thousands, there were inquisitions. It wasn't a pleasant experience to have Moslems or Christians take over your village in the dark ages. Rapid conversion to the true faith would be the only hope and probably not a successful one for most. Okay for good-looking young women, but the males would have limited life-expectancy. Even today, in Srebenica, there was separation of women and men prisoners and the men did NOT do very well. That was a religious division. motherjones.com <modern people of faith have more to fear from the likes of people out of touch, "with the Big Boy" than the other way around, and the real (not imagined) numbers bear that out.> Well, it's not a competition I'd like to enter. So, the religious wackos lost in the 20th century and would like to regain the upper hand to rebalance the numbers? My experience is that religious state edicts have impacted, in an unpleasant way, my life, far more than I have caused problems for religious people. I don't require then to chant or sing incantations and listen to religious speeches at compulsory state schools, stop them working or earning a living on Tuesdays, or pound their head into the ground with a paving stone to cure them of the devil [or religious mania]. [Which is what a couple did to a child in NZ] I can tell you that I have a LOT more to fear from George Bush [and other religious people like Clinton and Gore] than they do from me! The people to fear most are those with the most power because they can and often do, cause the most damage in the shortest time. 1.2 billion people in China should most fear what their very powerful bosses do. Next, they should fear the most powerful external force [which is, of course, the USA - if we don't count comets and other non-human dangers such as prions and viruses]. The Libertarian way of life would see everyone happily harmonious [other than those who dare to attack others or their property]. No need to impose anything on other people. Leave them to run their lives as they like. Pretty simple really and as people evolve away from Chimpanzee Tribal Hierarchies based on raw power, we'll see more of it. Then, CDMA will be everywhere and QUALCOMM shareholders will be rich beyond their wildest dreams. CDMA will help lead to that happy state of affairs by improving communications and pushing globalisation along quickly. Live and let live; do to others as you'd like them to do to you. Okay, that's politics and religion. I'll leave it to others to do the sex. The point is, they all go better with CDMA. CDMA is the true religion and through It[TM] we will find the meaning of life and wassup. Mqurice