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Politics : Sharks in the Septic Tank -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: hobo who wrote (1309)	1/16/2001 10:45:17 PM
From: TimF	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 82486

many of the victims of the tobacco industry are no longer alive, so i do not think being alive is a requisite. At least their family and friends who lost them are alive. Thats where the lawsuits came from until recently when states started to sue. In any case I don't think most of these lawsuits have any merit. No one held them down and put cigarettes in their mouths. Church admits truth about atrocities I read the article that you linked to it was not about church atrcities but rather about the Serbian Orthodox Church was going to have (or since the article was from June 25, 1999, it allready has) a press conference about atrocities the serbs commited. In the case of most Latin America, the Church was directly involved in decisions that simply took land from the natives, torture them and for nearly 500 years they kept them oppressed. There is some truth in that statement but it would have happened with or without the Catholic church. The main motivations were money and power. This is an interview with with Rigoberta Menchu, a native from Guatemala who won the Nobel Peace prize The link after that statement is about atrocities commited by the Guatemalan government. Oppresion in Mexico: (Chiapas and other states) btw... did you know that President Salinas brought down the separation between Church and State that had prevailed since the mid 1800's ? what has the church done about all this ? Again a government not a religon. I don't deny many bad things have been done in the name of religon but your examples have nothing to do with this fact. As far as the seperation of church and state in Mexico it still exits just much weaker, there is no longer the same level of offical discrimination against the Catholic Church that there used to be. What did the church do about this? What do you think it could have done? The link you provide is not a list of atrocities or human rights violations. It is a link to political propeganda and mentions of the bad conditions in the area. Following some of the links the only human rights abuses I could find where reports of rape by soldiers. The responsibility for the rapes would fall on the soldiers themselves and their commanders and the Mexican army if they allowed it to happen. Torture was enthusiastically applied by early Church officials for three reasons: (Spanish Inquisition) If you are going to demand reperations and/or punishment for every severe human rights abuse going back to the Spanish Inquisition you will never have an end to it. Tim